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The evidence to suggest that they were internalizing at 120 bpm even though there's no outtake of them counting off is that the first 2 notes of the song are played at this speed, and it's consistent with the triplet rhythm in the intro which falls on each beat.  Internalizing 240 while playing triplets on the half note would be pretty difficult. Internalizing 240 at all is already pretty difficult in itself.

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Though who knows, maybe since Ringo's not playing the intro he's internalizing 240 while everyone else internalizes 120?

 

As for I Me Mine , I guess the bpm does double because the beat length is halved and the speed itself doesn't change (the 8th note is constant throughout).

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Okay wait I found a live recording of Paul McCartney playing this live with a count off.  The tempo itself is slower, but it does indicate what the beat was considered to be.  I doubt that would change overtime.

https://youtu.be/gyWmih42wvk

Also I keep double/triple posting lol

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The evidence to suggest that they were internalizing at 120 bpm even though there's no outtake of them counting off is that the first 2 notes of the song are played at this speed,

  

Using that logic Little Child is at BPM = 38.

 

That video is worth its weight in gold - That totally settles the debate, I'm now convinced it's 120BPM.

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As for I Me Mine , I guess the bpm does double because the beat length is halved and the speed itself doesn't change (the 8th note is constant throughout).

  

So I need to add another tempo for I Me Mine ?

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I compiled a list a few years ago, (see also this thread: https://www.beatlesbible.com/f.....other-key/) there are sure to be a few mistakes: 

 

  
  
SongTempo
You've Got To Hide Your Love Away 62
Something 67
I'm So Tired 68
Let it Be70
The Fool On The Hill 72
Oh! Darling 72
Hey Jude 74
Sun King 75
Sexy Sadie 75
Dear Prudence 75
Across The Universe 75
Don't Let Me Down 76
Cry Baby Cry 77
You Really Got A Hold On Me 78
Rocky Raccoon 79
Golden Slumbers 81
Because 81
She Came In Through The Bathroom Window 81
A Day In The Life 81
For No One 81
Carry That Weight 84
Everybody's Trying To Be My Baby 85
Don't Pass Me By 85
Mother Nature's Son 85
I Am The Walrus 85
I'm Looking Through You 86
Lovely Rita 87
You Like Me Too Much 88
She's A Woman 89
Another Girl 89
Wild Honey Pie 90
I Feel Fine 90
Revolution 9 91
Strawberry Fields Forever 91
Octopus's Garden 92
Piggies 93
Act Naturally 93
Flying 93
Blackbird 94
I Don't Want To Spoil The Party 95
Help !95
All Together Now 96
Sgt Pepper 's Lonely Hearts Club Band96
Yesterday 97
What Goes On 97
I'll Cry Instead 97
Girl97
Baby You're A Rich Man 97
Revolution 1 98
Pepperland Laid Waste99
Hello Goodbye 99
I Wanna Be Your Man 100
Hey Bulldog 100
A Taste Of Honey 101
Her Majesty 101
Blue Jay Way 101
Mean Mister Mustard101
The Inner Light 102
I Will 103
I'm Only Sleeping 103
In My Life 103
All You Need Is Love 103
Long, Long, Long 105
We Can Work It Out 106
She Said She Said 106
Rain 107
If I Fell 108
Yellow Submarine in Pepperland 109
Two of Us109
Anna (Go to Him)109
Only A Northern Song 109
This Boy 110
Lady Madonna 110
Yellow Submarine 111
Baby It's You 112
Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite!112
With A Little Help From My Friends 112
Sea Of Holes 113
Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da 113
Penny Lane 113
It's Only Love 113
Fixing A Hole 113
And I Love Her 113
Pepperland 114
It's All Too Much 114
While My Guitar Gently Weeps 115
The Continuing Story Of Bungalow Bill 115
I Want You (She's So Heavy)116
Sea Of Monsters 116
March Of The Meanies 116
You Won't See Me 116
Michelle 117
Good Day Sunshine 117
Everybody's Got Something To Hide Except Me And My Monkey 117
Your Mother Should Know 118
You Know My Name (Look Up The Number)119
All I've Got To Do 119
Glass Onion 120
I've Just Seen A Face 120
Devil In Her Heart 121
Nowhere Man 121
Revolution 121
Sgt Pepper 's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise)121
Savoy Truffle 121
The Word 121
Words Of Love 122
Till There Was You 122
Dig A Pony 122
Good Morning Good Morning 122
Drive My Car 122
Getting Better 122
The End 123
Ticket To Ride 123
Every Little Thing 123
Get Back 123
Please Mr. Postman123
Ask Me Why 124
Love You To 124
I'll Be Back 124
Do You Want To Know A Secret ?124
No Reply 124
Not A Second Time 125
Twist And Shout 125
When I Get Home 125
Mr. Moonlight126
Within You Without You 126
I'll Get You 126
I Call Your Name 126
Tomorrow Never Knows 126
Wait 127
I Want To Tell You 127
If I Needed Someone 127
She's Leaving Home 128
For You Blue 129
Here Comes The Sun 129
Money (That's What I Want)129
You Can't Do That 129
You're Going To Lose That Girl 129
Sea Of Time 130
What You're Doing 130
Chains 130
I Should Have Known Better 130
Kansas City - Hey Hey Hey!131
Maxwell's Silver Hammer 131
I Want To Hold Your Hand 131
Think For Yourself 131
The Long And Winding Road 132
Komm Gib Mir Deine Hand 132
I'm Happy Just To Dance With You 132
Yes It Is 133
Misery 133
It Won't Be Long 133
And Your Bird Can Sing 133
P.S. I Love You134
I'll Follow The Sun 134
Taxman 134
Julia 135
The Ballad Of John And Yoko 135
Bad Boy 135
Hold Me Tight 136
From Me To You 136
Dizzy Miss Lizzy 136
I Need You 136
Tell Me What You See 137
Things We Said Today 137
Got To Get You Into My Life 137
Thank You Girl 138
Eleanor Rigby 138
Day Tripper 138
Happiness Is A Warm Gun 139
Please Please Me 139
Eight Days A Week 139
A Hard Day's Night 139
Birthday 139
When I'm Sixty-Four 140
There's a Place141
Any Time At All 141
Back In The USSR 142
Boys 142
Old Brown Shoe 143
Honey Pie 144
Good Night 146
Love Me Do 148
She Loves You 150
Tell Me Why 151
Little Child 152
Yer Blues 152
Sie Liebt Dich 154
All My Loving 155
Dig It 157
Paperback Writer 157
Matchbox 160
I Saw Her Standing There 160
Roll Over Beethoven 161
Honey Don't 162
I'm Down 164
Here, There And Everywhere 165
I've Got A Feeling 165
Come Together 165
Doctor Robert 165
Polythene Pam 167
Rock And Roll Music 167
The Night Before 168
Helter Skelter 168
Magical Mystery Tour 168
Slow Down 169
Maggie Mae 169
Don't Bother Me 170
Can't Buy Me Love 172
Long Tall Sally 172
You Never Give Me Your Money 174
Run For Your Life 177
Norwegian Wood 177
Martha My Dear 178
I'm A Loser 180
One After 909 182
Why Don't We Do It in the Road?188
Baby's In Black 203
Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds 132/90
I Me Mine 92/184


  

For ease of reference.

I remember you having I Me Mine at 185 originally, and that was definitely the 8th note pulse of the song. So for our tempo we have a dotted quarter pulse, and a dotted eighth pulse.

185 divided by 3 is about 62, and that times 2 is 124.

So the tempo should be 62/124, and since it's so close to 60/120 I checked that and 60 was just right but 120 was too slow.  130 ended up working better.  I guess they did speed up a bit due to human error.

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Kaniffee said

The evidence to suggest that they were internalizing at 120 bpm even though there's no outtake of them counting off is that the first 2 notes of the song are played at this speed,

  

Using that logic Little Child is at BPM = 38.

When you cut off people's sentences at the comma the logic will tend to seem a bit off.  My actual argument was saying that in conjunction with the fact that it fits with the triplet intro is what suggests that they're internalizing 120, even without evidence of the count off.  I can't see any reason they'd be internalizing 240 over the triplet intro especially, and since there's no tempo change, it follows that they weren't internalizing 240 at all.

I'm pointing this out because the situations of I've Just Seen A Face and Little Child are different, so it's not a fair comparison.

I know the debate's settled it just frustrates me that you took half my logic, and then said "using this logic."  That's definitely something to avoid in future debates.

Also incredibly salty I had to listen to Little Child for this.ahdn_paul_01

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I compiled a list a few years ago, (see also this thread: https://www.beatlesbible.com/f.....other-key/) there are sure to be a few mistakes: 

 

  
  
SongTempo
You've Got To Hide Your Love Away 62
Something 67
I'm So Tired 68
Let it Be70
The Fool On The Hill 72
Oh! Darling 72
Hey Jude 74
Sun King 75
Sexy Sadie 75
Dear Prudence 75
Across The Universe 75
Don't Let Me Down 76
Cry Baby Cry 77
You Really Got A Hold On Me 78
Rocky Raccoon 79
Golden Slumbers 81
Because 81
She Came In Through The Bathroom Window 81
A Day In The Life 81
For No One 81
Carry That Weight 84
Everybody's Trying To Be My Baby 85
Don't Pass Me By 85
Mother Nature's Son 85
I Am The Walrus 85
I'm Looking Through You 86
Lovely Rita 87
You Like Me Too Much 88
She's A Woman 89
Another Girl 89
Wild Honey Pie 90
I Feel Fine 90
Revolution 9 91
Strawberry Fields Forever 91
Octopus's Garden 92
Piggies 93
Act Naturally 93
Flying 93
Blackbird 94
I Don't Want To Spoil The Party 95
Help !95
All Together Now 96
Sgt Pepper 's Lonely Hearts Club Band96
Yesterday 97
What Goes On 97
I'll Cry Instead 97
Girl97
Baby You're A Rich Man 97
Revolution 1 98
Pepperland Laid Waste99
Hello Goodbye 99
I Wanna Be Your Man 100
Hey Bulldog 100
A Taste Of Honey 101
Her Majesty 101
Blue Jay Way 101
Mean Mister Mustard101
The Inner Light 102
I Will 103
I'm Only Sleeping 103
In My Life 103
All You Need Is Love 103
Long, Long, Long 105
We Can Work It Out 106
She Said She Said 106
Rain 107
If I Fell 108
Yellow Submarine in Pepperland 109
Two of Us109
Anna (Go to Him)109
Only A Northern Song 109
This Boy 110
Lady Madonna 110
Yellow Submarine 111
Baby It's You 112
Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite!112
With A Little Help From My Friends 112
Sea Of Holes 113
Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da 113
Penny Lane 113
It's Only Love 113
Fixing A Hole 113
And I Love Her 113
Pepperland 114
It's All Too Much 114
While My Guitar Gently Weeps 115
The Continuing Story Of Bungalow Bill 115
I Want You (She's So Heavy)116
Sea Of Monsters 116
March Of The Meanies 116
You Won't See Me 116
Michelle 117
Good Day Sunshine 117
Everybody's Got Something To Hide Except Me And My Monkey 117
Your Mother Should Know 118
You Know My Name (Look Up The Number)119
All I've Got To Do 119
Glass Onion 120
I've Just Seen A Face 120
Devil In Her Heart 121
Nowhere Man 121
Revolution 121
Sgt Pepper 's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise)121
Savoy Truffle 121
The Word 121
Words Of Love 122
Till There Was You 122
Dig A Pony 122
Good Morning Good Morning 122
Drive My Car 122
Getting Better 122
The End 123
Ticket To Ride 123
Every Little Thing 123
Get Back 123
Please Mr. Postman123
Ask Me Why 124
Love You To 124
I'll Be Back 124
Do You Want To Know A Secret ?124
No Reply 124
Not A Second Time 125
Twist And Shout 125
When I Get Home 125
Mr. Moonlight126
Within You Without You 126
I'll Get You 126
I Call Your Name 126
Tomorrow Never Knows 126
Wait 127
I Want To Tell You 127
If I Needed Someone 127
She's Leaving Home 128
For You Blue 129
Here Comes The Sun 129
Money (That's What I Want)129
You Can't Do That 129
You're Going To Lose That Girl 129
Sea Of Time 130
What You're Doing 130
Chains 130
I Should Have Known Better 130
Kansas City - Hey Hey Hey!131
Maxwell's Silver Hammer 131
I Want To Hold Your Hand 131
Think For Yourself 131
The Long And Winding Road 132
Komm Gib Mir Deine Hand 132
I'm Happy Just To Dance With You 132
Yes It Is 133
Misery 133
It Won't Be Long 133
And Your Bird Can Sing 133
P.S. I Love You134
I'll Follow The Sun 134
Taxman 134
Julia 135
The Ballad Of John And Yoko 135
Bad Boy 135
Hold Me Tight 136
From Me To You 136
Dizzy Miss Lizzy 136
I Need You 136
Tell Me What You See 137
Things We Said Today 137
Got To Get You Into My Life 137
Thank You Girl 138
Eleanor Rigby 138
Day Tripper 138
Happiness Is A Warm Gun 139
Please Please Me 139
Eight Days A Week 139
A Hard Day's Night 139
Birthday 139
When I'm Sixty-Four 140
There's a Place141
Any Time At All 141
Back In The USSR 142
Boys 142
Old Brown Shoe 143
Honey Pie 144
Good Night 146
Love Me Do 148
She Loves You 150
Tell Me Why 151
Little Child 152
Yer Blues 152
Sie Liebt Dich 154
All My Loving 155
Dig It 157
Paperback Writer 157
Matchbox 160
I Saw Her Standing There 160
Roll Over Beethoven 161
Honey Don't 162
I'm Down 164
Here, There And Everywhere 165
I've Got A Feeling 165
Come Together 165
Doctor Robert 165
Polythene Pam 167
Rock And Roll Music 167
The Night Before 168
Helter Skelter 168
Magical Mystery Tour 168
Slow Down 169
Maggie Mae 169
Don't Bother Me 170
Can't Buy Me Love 172
Long Tall Sally 172
You Never Give Me Your Money 174
Run For Your Life 177
Norwegian Wood 177
Martha My Dear 178
I'm A Loser 180
One After 909 182
Why Don't We Do It in the Road?188
Baby's In Black 203
Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds 132/90
I Me Mine 92/184

  

For ease of reference.

I remember you having I Me Mine at 185 originally, and that was definitely the 8th note pulse of the song. So for our tempo we have a dotted quarter pulse, and a dotted eighth pulse.

185 divided by 3 is about 62, and that times 2 is 124.

So the tempo should be 62/124, and since it's so close to 60/120 I checked that and 60 was just right but 120 was too slow.  130 ended up working better.  I guess they did speed up a bit due to human error.

  

Ah yes, of course. I had 185 originally but changed it - I also got it wrong when I changed it so that's why it's out. Fixed nowjohn-lennon-salute_gif

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Kaniffee said

The evidence to suggest that they were internalizing at 120 bpm even though there's no outtake of them counting off is that the first 2 notes of the song are played at this speed,

  

Using that logic Little Child is at BPM = 38.

When you cut off people's sentences at the comma the logic will tend to seem a bit off.  My actual argument was saying that in conjunction with the fact that it fits with the triplet intro is what suggests that they're internalizing 120, even without evidence of the count off.  I can't see any reason they'd be internalizing 240 over the triplet intro especially, and since there's no tempo change, it follows that they weren't internalizing 240 at all.

I'm pointing this out because the situations of I've Just Seen A Face and Little Child are different, so it's not a fair comparison.

I know the debate's settled it just frustrates me that you took half my logic, and then said "using this logic."  That's definitely something to avoid in future debates.

Also incredibly salty I had to listen to Little Child for this.ahdn_paul_01


  

That's fair. Originally I intended it to be a bit of a joke, but reading back now it makes no sense... I'm sorry if you took it badly.

It's something that ordinarily I'd totally avoid in debates - I hate people taking half my logic, and I try to avoid doing so as well. I think I omitted half the sentence because I thought it was better to keep the thing I was quoting shorter, but that kinda defeats the purpose. Again, my apologies.

On topic:

Just noticed WDWDIITR was twice too fast, fixed that too

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I am curious how you went about compiling these tempos if you still remember?  When I've been checking songs i use the metronome app on my phone to compare, but it hasn't been very efficient.

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I think I looked them up, @Kaniffee, and did a sense check on them. The songs that have mistakes are because I didn't know the particular songs very well when I did it (2.5 years ago)

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