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The Beatles Tempo Database
16 August 2019
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Is there, or can we produce, a database of tempi/bpm in every Beatle song. I know there is stuff online, but I'm wondering if there is a database that breaks the songs down into verse/chorus/bridge/etc. 

I am sure there are songs that have different Tempo changes within them?

16 August 2019
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I compiled a list a few years ago, (see also this thread: https://www.beatlesbible.com/f.....other-key/) there are sure to be a few mistakes: 

 

SongTempo
You've Got To Hide Your Love Away 62
Something 67
I'm So Tired 68
Let it Be70
The Fool On The Hill 72
Oh! Darling 72
Hey Jude 74
Sun King 75
Sexy Sadie 75
Dear Prudence 75
Across The Universe 75
Don't Let Me Down 76
Cry Baby Cry 77
You Really Got A Hold On Me 78
Rocky Raccoon 79
Golden Slumbers 81
Because 81
She Came In Through The Bathroom Window 81
A Day In The Life 81
For No One 81
Carry That Weight 84
Everybody's Trying To Be My Baby 85
Don't Pass Me By 85
Mother Nature's Son 85
I Am The Walrus 85
I'm Looking Through You 86
Lovely Rita 87
You Like Me Too Much 88
She's A Woman 89
Another Girl 89
Wild Honey Pie 90
I Feel Fine 90
Revolution 9 91
Strawberry Fields Forever 91
Octopus's Garden 92
Piggies 93
Act Naturally 93
Flying 93
Blackbird 94
Why Don't We Do It in the Road?94
I Don't Want To Spoil The Party 95
Help !95
All Together Now 96
Sgt Pepper 's Lonely Hearts Club Band96
Yesterday 97
What Goes On 97
I'll Cry Instead 97
Girl97
Baby You're A Rich Man 97
Revolution 1 98
Pepperland Laid Waste99
Hello Goodbye 99
I Wanna Be Your Man 100
Hey Bulldog 100
A Taste Of Honey 101
Her Majesty 101
Blue Jay Way 101
Mean Mister Mustard101
The Inner Light 102
I Will 103
I'm Only Sleeping 103
In My Life 103
All You Need Is Love 103
Long, Long, Long 105
We Can Work It Out 106
She Said She Said 106
Rain 107
If I Fell 108
Yellow Submarine in Pepperland 109
Two of Us109
Anna (Go to Him)109
Only A Northern Song 109
This Boy 110
Lady Madonna 110
Yellow Submarine 111
Baby It's You 112
Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite!112
With A Little Help From My Friends 112
Sea Of Holes 113
Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da 113
Penny Lane 113
It's Only Love 113
Fixing A Hole 113
And I Love Her 113
Pepperland 114
It's All Too Much 114
While My Guitar Gently Weeps 115
The Continuing Story Of Bungalow Bill 115
I Want You (She's So Heavy)116
Sea Of Monsters 116
March Of The Meanies 116
You Won't See Me 116
Michelle 117
Good Day Sunshine 117
Everybody's Got Something To Hide Except Me And My Monkey 117
Your Mother Should Know 118
You Know My Name (Look Up The Number)119
All I've Got To Do 119
Glass Onion 120
I've Just Seen A Face 120
Devil In Her Heart 121
Nowhere Man 121
Revolution 121
Sgt Pepper 's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise)121
Savoy Truffle 121
The Word 121
Words Of Love 122
Till There Was You 122
Dig A Pony 122
Good Morning Good Morning 122
Drive My Car 122
Getting Better 122
The End 123
Ticket To Ride 123
Every Little Thing 123
Get Back 123
Please Mr. Postman123
Ask Me Why 124
Love You To 124
I'll Be Back 124
Do You Want To Know A Secret ?124
No Reply 124
Not A Second Time 125
Twist And Shout 125
When I Get Home 125
Mr. Moonlight126
Within You Without You 126
I'll Get You 126
I Call Your Name 126
Tomorrow Never Knows 126
Wait 127
I Want To Tell You 127
If I Needed Someone 127
She's Leaving Home 128
For You Blue 129
Here Comes The Sun 129
Money (That's What I Want)129
You Can't Do That 129
You're Going To Lose That Girl 129
Sea Of Time 130
What You're Doing 130
Chains 130
I Should Have Known Better 130
Kansas City - Hey Hey Hey!131
Maxwell's Silver Hammer 131
I Want To Hold Your Hand 131
Think For Yourself 131
The Long And Winding Road 132
Komm Gib Mir Deine Hand 132
I'm Happy Just To Dance With You 132
Yes It Is 133
Misery 133
It Won't Be Long 133
And Your Bird Can Sing 133
P.S. I Love You134
I'll Follow The Sun 134
Taxman 134
Julia 135
The Ballad Of John And Yoko 135
Bad Boy 135
Hold Me Tight 136
From Me To You 136
Dizzy Miss Lizzy 136
I Need You 136
Tell Me What You See 137
Things We Said Today 137
Got To Get You Into My Life 137
Thank You Girl 138
Eleanor Rigby 138
Day Tripper 138
Happiness Is A Warm Gun 139
Please Please Me 139
Eight Days A Week 139
A Hard Day's Night 139
Birthday 139
When I'm Sixty-Four 140
There's a Place141
Any Time At All 141
Back In The USSR 142
Boys 142
Old Brown Shoe 143
Honey Pie 144
Good Night 146
Love Me Do 148
She Loves You 150
Tell Me Why 151
Little Child 152
Yer Blues 152
Sie Liebt Dich 154
All My Loving 155
Dig It 157
Paperback Writer 157
Matchbox 160
I Saw Her Standing There 160
Roll Over Beethoven 161
Honey Don't 162
I'm Down 164
Here, There And Everywhere 165
I've Got A Feeling 165
Come Together 165
Doctor Robert 165
Polythene Pam 167
Rock And Roll Music 167
The Night Before 168
Helter Skelter 168
Magical Mystery Tour 168
Slow Down 169
Maggie Mae 169
Don't Bother Me 170
Can't Buy Me Love 172
Long Tall Sally 172
You Never Give Me Your Money 174
Run For Your Life 177
Norwegian Wood 177
Martha My Dear 178
I'm A Loser 180
One After 909 182
Baby's In Black 203
Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds 132/90
I Me Mine 60/130

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Some of those tempos seem extremely fast.  I can't be sure without re-listening to the songs but I'd guess with some of those you counted a subdivision as the beat.

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Kaniffee said
Some of those tempos seem extremely fast.  I can't be sure without re-listening to the songs but I'd guess with some of those you counted a subdivision as the beat.

  

I'd agree Do It In The Road and I Me Mine are probably twice too fast but let me know if you think any other songs are too fast!

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I've Just Seen A Face is probably twice too fast.

Baby's In Black is a bit weird because it kind of depends on if we consider it 6/8 or 3/4.  Because of how fast it would be as 3/4, I'm leaning towards 6/8.  And for 6/8 the beat is actually the dotted quarter note, not the eighth note because it goes 2 3 5 6.  So basically I'd guess that's 3 times too fast.

Others i'm not sure because I haven't listened to yet, and/or I need to check against a metronome.

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I can quite clearly hear the snare on 2 and 4 on I've Just Seen A Face - the tempo you're suggesting would put it on the 'and' of every beat, which is less normal.

Baby's In Black is an interesting one. I hear it in 3/4 but I understand your point.

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Interesting how Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds is the only Beatles song that switches tempo.

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Dark Overlord said
Interesting how Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds is the only Beatles song that switches tempo.

  

I'd have thought it'd be more than that? What about songs such as 'Happiness Is A Warm Gun ', 'We Can Work It Out ' et al.

See, this is probably where I'm getting confused between meter and tempo, but I'm sure tempo changes are fairly common in music?

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Playimg devil's advocate, I would argue there isn't a tempo change in those songs- instead it's just something accents and triplets.

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I think @The Hole Got Fixed is right, those don't appear to be tempo changes but rather them changing from 4/4 to 3/4.

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I'm sure you're both right. My understanding of music theory isn't what it could be.

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The Hole Got Fixed said
I can quite clearly hear the snare on 2 and 4 on I've Just Seen A Face - the tempo you're suggesting would put it on the 'and' of every beat, which is less normal.

Baby's In Black is an interesting one. I hear it in 3/4 but I understand your point.

  

The first 2 notes of the intro establish the tempo pretty clearly to me and that motif recurs throughout.

I can't speak on the snare thing as much because I'm not a drummer, but it's not that unusual to have drum emphasis on the backbeat, and ultimately it's the harmonic progression that determines the strong beat of a piece.

When in doubt I check what Alan Pollack has to say about the song:

The slow triplet pulse creates a deceptive sense of tempo. When the verse finally kicks in with its four-square beat that is sustained for the remainder of the song you have a gear-shifting feeling of acceleration as though the tempo had changed. But this is entirely an illusion, anticipating what would show up later, even more forcefully, in "We Can Work It Out". If you count the measures in "two half" time instead of the twice-as-fast 4/4 you'll more easily grasp the extent to which the underlying tempo is constant.

I think this supports what I was saying? I may have misinterpreted what he's saying here because it confused me a bit.

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Also 240 is ridiculously fast for a tempo, hardly anyone plays things at 200 bpm let alone 240.

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Not sure what the deal with I Me Mine is yet but there's definitely a tempo shift when it changes from 6/8 to 4/4 feel. They don't sync up much at all.

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Kaniffee said
Also 240 is ridiculously fast for a tempo, hardly anyone plays things at 200 bpm let alone 240.

  

I've seen plenty of pieces over 200 - in fact my friend who did the music composition subject last year (and got 3rd in the state) wrote his piece at 240bpm. It isn't impossible, is my point, but I'm starting to think tempo is relative anyway and different people hear different things.

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The Hole Got Fixed said

Kaniffee said

Also 240 is ridiculously fast for a tempo, hardly anyone plays things at 200 bpm let alone 240.

  

I've seen plenty of pieces over 200 - in fact my friend who did the music composition subject last year (and got 3rd in the state) wrote his piece at 240bpm. It isn't impossible, is my point, but I'm starting to think tempo is relative anyway and different people hear different things.

  

The thing about tempos faster than 200 is that no one playing the song will actually internalize the the beat that fast.  If the tempo is technically 240 the players will internalize 120 as the tempo because that's a reasonable tempo their brain can actually handle.  And because they're playing it like 120 with offbeats that how it comes across. 

Tempo is mainly for the person playing the piece.  It's not often that a listener will think about it to this degree.  So tempos should be a reflection of how the player actually plays it.

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On a somewhat related note it occured to me that I have the Beatles complete scores book and though it doesn't list tempo it does give insight to what the beat was considered to be based on the meter.

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So they consider it to be in cut time with the half not getting the beat.

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So yeah the tempo's probably 120.  Cut time tends to sound faster than it actually is.

And i suppose those drum accents are what you were talking about with the snare.

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Oh and apparently I Me Mine goes from 6/8 to 12/16 so the speed stays the same i guess but the beat changes from being dotted quarter note to being a dotted eighth note according to the sheet music.  I tested this and if you imagine a duple rhythm with the dotted quarter beat the transition works very smoothly.

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Kaniffee said
 

So yeah the tempo's probably 120.  Cut time tends to sound faster than it actually is.

And i suppose those drum accents are what you were talking about with the snare.

  

That's the issue - I hear it in common time, you hear it in cut common.

As a 'musician' myself I can internalise a beat that quickly - but it's not so much a skill you can learn, just a way your brain works. I agree that it depends on how the musicians played it and not how the listener perceives it, I think that's a really, really good and valid point. Unfortunately I can't find an outtake of the song with a count-in (I can't even find any outtake at all), which would have answered our question.

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Oh and apparently I Me Mine goes from 6/8 to 12/16 so the speed stays the same i guess but the beat changes from being dotted quarter note to being a dotted eighth note according to the sheet music.  I tested this and if you imagine a duple rhythm with the dotted quarter beat the transition works very smoothly.

  

That does my head in...

What I think that means is that the bars are the same length but have a different number of beats inside - so wouldn't that mean the BPM does change?

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