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I read the news today (oh boy) - Current world events
25 September 2019
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I think the Trump impeachment thing is a bad idea - the Senate is under Republican control so it inevitably won't work (assuming the centrist-y Dems in the House don't stop it there first) so it'll be a waste of time and look terrible for the Democrats. I normally agree with people like AOC, but their support for this bewilders me. 

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Clinton's impeachment backfired against the Republicans ....I think Clinton's popularity surged 15% 

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These keep popping up on my youtube account........

No need for anyone to comment........Just have a look if you're anxious .........

 

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Ah yes, Andrew Bolt. Quite possibly the reporter with the least credibility in much of Australia - certainly in my part of Melbourne! I've never agreed with a single thing he's said - not one.

One question I'd like answered - how is it possible that upwards of 98% of children (I have no source for that but am basing that upon my experiences of being around other kids my age every day) are vocally supportive of more climate action if we're being 'brainwashed'? Brainwashing is very hard to do, and rarely does it capture almost every single person in one demographic this quickly...

The other thing to point out is that kids are actually able to form their own opinions, something that I feel some people (like a few people I know personally, but no one on here), forget. Perhaps it's time to listen to the kids? We certainly deserve as much of a voice as everyone else.

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Fear is a powerful brainwashing tool.......There are a lot of very fearful scenarios being peddled.......In any case somehow it's always easier to believe a bad thing than a good one.  

Here like others THGF........you resort immediately to playing the man and not the ball.......Perhaps that's the reason why, as the video points out, politicians and others are reluctant to take on the climate fear-mongers.........

Perhaps just keep an open and questioning mind......And try to stop your mind from wandering ....where it will go!!

You're living in the safest climate environment for many many years.

Allow yourself to enjoy the gift of every day........

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Why is it than whenever two sides disagree on something the explanation has to be that one side is being brainwashed? Bringing that sort of conspiratorial thinking into it only distracts from the important issue which is the science. 

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Holy feck, 56 new messages? I'm not reading all of these...

All I have to say is this:

1. I'm not quite sure how to feel about impeachment. On one hand, it's ridiculous to do it so late in his term, and having Mike Pence as a president would really, really suck. On the other hand, impeachment is a good way to launch investigations into things that might otherwise have been overlooked, and that might dissuade people from voting for him next election. So I really don't know.

2. I think it's become obvious by now that climate change is real. It has decades of science behind it, true and tangible facts. That's not a disputable fact. This makes Trump's idiotic denial even more ridiculous, and the only 'brainwashing' going on is going on is within the people who believe everything Trump is telling them ahdn_paul_01

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On the science of climate change.......

Here's some more......

26 September 2019
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Why is it than whenever two sides disagree on something the explanation has to be that one side is being brainwashed? Bringing that sort of conspiratorial thinking into it only distracts from the important issue which is the science. 

  

I didn't bring brainwashing into this The Hole Got Fixed did.....

And so has 50!

 

"2. I think it's become obvious by now that climate change is real. It has decades of science behind it, true and tangible facts. That's not a disputable fact. This makes Trump's idiotic denial even more ridiculous, and the only 'brainwashing' going on is going on is within the people who believe everything Trump is telling them "

I only answered their claim.....However I think your right there's climate of brainwashing going on......A rising tide in fact.....

Makes it difficult for us.

I've read extensively now....You almost had me on your side of this.....I still don't know but I'm slowly being less convinced that Climate Change is an existential threat than I was before I began my serious digging.

26 September 2019
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As for Impeachment......?

How many here still believe Trump colluded with the Russians? Have minds been changed....Or do they still believe in their belief......?

This works for all of us of course ......Me included...

 “It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they've been fooled.” Mark Twain 

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For all those who think climate change isn't a problem:

https://www.wunderground.com/h......wmo=99999

https://www.wunderground.com/h......wmo=99999

The arctic is about 10 degrees warmer then it was 50 years ago, that's enough to make a summer in Utqiagvik (the northernmost place in the United States) not just tolerable but enjoyable (at least if your form of enjoyment is walking around for hours while wearing nothing but shorts and a t shirt). If we keep this up, in 200 years it might be 80 degrees at the north pole, which might sound nice at first but this would mean that coastal areas would be flooded and places near the equator would regularly hit 120 degrees.

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26 September 2019
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By studying the amount of titanium 44 in meteorites that have fallen to earth over the last 240 years it has been proved that the sun has gotten hotter. The rise has been most significant over the last 100 years.......It reached and maintained it's higher than historic levels up until the 1970s but has not gotten hotter since then.  

"The results, detailed in this week's issue of the journal Astronomy & Astrophysics Letters, "confirm that there was indeed an increase in solar activity over the last 100 years or so," Usoskin told SPACE.com.

The average global temperature at Earth's surface has risen by about 1 degree Fahrenheit since 1880. Some scientists debate whether the increase is part of a natural climate cycle or the result of greenhouse gases produced by cars and industrial processes.

The sun's impact on climate change has only recently been investigated. Recent studies show that an increase in solar output can cause short-term changes in Earth's climate, but there is no firm evidence linking solar activity with long-term climate effects."

 

It seems to me that there can be and probably are many reasons for the climate changes that have happened cyclically over millions of years......

The science isn't settled...

Neither of course would I suggest is my understanding.....Still reading up what both sides have to say......

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Anyone who denies climate change is deluded and there is no point in discussing it with those who are suggesting things like children are being brainwashed as they will not be moved from their opinion regardless of what evidence is produced.

The impeachment won't work against Trump, it's just an attempt to add more heat but Trump will not care; he does as he pleases and to hell with the consequences, just deny, ignore and/or attack. What's far more concerning is the voters who continue to believe Trump is basically infallible regardless of what he does as they will be voting for him in the upcoming election. 

UK politics is a farce at the moment but the hypocrisy and fake instant hysteria from all sides (and not just the politicians) is deeply depressing.

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Anyone who denies climate change is deluded and there is no point in discussing it with those who are suggesting things like children are being brainwashed as they will not be moved from their opinion regardless of what evidence is produced.

The impeachment won't work against Trump, it's just an attempt to add more heat but Trump will not care; he does as he pleases and to hell with the consequences, just deny, ignore and/or attack. What's far more concerning is the voters who continue to believe Trump is basically infallible regardless of what he does as they will be voting for him in the upcoming election. 

UK politics is a farce at the moment but the hypocrisy and fake instant hysteria from all sides (and not just the politicians) is deeply depressing.

  

The point being discussed is to what extent can climate change be attributed to the activities of man?...And/or are there other possible causations for climate change that should be factored in and considered when after all  the climate has been warming and cooling throughout the earth's existence?.....Long before man ever appeared.

That question is never answered with any level of precision ..... nevertheless children and others are led into believing the sole source is due to man and that anybody who express doubts about this are crackpots or deceitful charlatans .......The accusers believe they are being scientific when without questioning they make sweeping and unproven statements such as you and most others here make.

The science has a strong consensus but it is still very far from settled.........

I don't know....But......

I've seen and demonstrated here how stats' are very often manipulated to start from the bottom of an 11 year or other regularly repeating cycle to show either a rise in temperature or a sharp descent......

 

As for Trump? The Impeachment won't work because, (just like the Russian collusion issue) he hasn't done anything wrong......

The hypocrisy of the media and the Dem's calling for Trump's investigation while poo poohing, and trying to shut down any investigation of Biden and his son is staggering....

I want to write some more about brainwashing as a stand alone issue.....Busy right now.

As for the UK right now.......?

My 'gasted has never been so 'flabbered'

Hoping for a speedy resolution via an election or referendum.

27 September 2019
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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8Agreed with that last statement. I just want this whole Brexit mess resolved one way or another so they can go back to actually governing. And I didn't specifically accuse you of bringing up the brainwashing thing, Wigwam, I was just expressing a general distaste towards that kind of argument. No offence intended john-lennon-salute_gif

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I never..well hardly ever take offence.......

And I know i can come over as snotty........So sometimes I deserve the abuse.......

I've already considered dialling down brainwashing to how we are all socially influenced......But it can have a powerful effect on all of us...

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Wigwam said

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Why is it than whenever two sides disagree on something the explanation has to be that one side is being brainwashed? Bringing that sort of conspiratorial thinking into it only distracts from the important issue which is the science. 

  

I didn't bring brainwashing into this The Hole Got Fixed did.....

  

Now that, is some top-quality 'fake news'. In the video you posted immediately above my comment, the one by Andrew Bolt, in the first minute iirc, talks about brainwashing of children. So none of us brought it up - your source (but not you) did.

Definitely agree with everyone that I want Brexit over - but some of me doesn't, as I must admit it is actually kind of funny, (coming from a point of view where at worst case scenario, the only way it affects me is that the dual citizenship I'm eligible for (Latvian, but I don't have it) no longer grants me access to skip queues at British customs)

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Politics are such a mess. 

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8My mum often says how bizarre it must be for us zoomers, for whom the insanity of the past few years has been the norm

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The Hole Got Fixed said

Wigwam said

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Why is it than whenever two sides disagree on something the explanation has to be that one side is being brainwashed? Bringing that sort of conspiratorial thinking into it only distracts from the important issue which is the science. 

  

I didn't bring brainwashing into this The Hole Got Fixed did.....

  

Now that, is some top-quality 'fake news'. In the video you posted immediately above my comment, the one by Andrew Bolt, in the first minute iirc, talks about brainwashing of children. So none of us brought it up - your source (but not you) did.

 

  

I must say you're right there.......The video does mention brainwashing

Brainwashing wasn't my main take from that video in fact amongst the other stuff in there it hardly registered.....

Perhaps it's pertinent that brainwashing comments along with the announcer were the two aspects that you critiqued .......perhaps not?

Any way apologies for casting aspersions my friend.

 

My first fake news.....And I didn't even intend it.......I've been brainwashed!!!!

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