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What do you consider the last "early" Beatles album? (Classify the Beatles albums by era)
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Not to be rude or anything, but Yellow Submarine , All together Now, and Octopus' Garden ARE children's songs.

But to classify all of the phychedelic era as 'kiddie music'? No, that doesn't gel with me. It includes some of their best work!

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Mademoiselle Kitty >^..^< protested 
But to classify all of the phychedelic era as 'kiddie music'? No, that doesn't gel with me. It includes some of their best work!  

As I understand it, some aspects of psychedelia sort of highlight those 'childish' qualities (or at least adults' nostalgic remembrances of them)*, so I can see where sgtpepper63 is coming from. Some of it would certainly appeal to some kids (I seem to recall eight-year-old Silly Girl had a great thing for the '67 albums ahdn_george_06), but children are very literal-minded and some might find I Am The Walrus incredibly weird. I would say that something like A Day In The Life is very much the work of an adult mind, yet it's quite psychedelic. So I definitely agree with Mlle. Kittygirl, I wouldn't classify the whole era as children's music. 

 

That made more sense in my head, and then I worked at it so long that my 'precious words drift[ed] away from their meanings'... The farther one travels, the less one knows... ahdn_paul_01

 

*which makes for a unique thing when combined with the 'adult' themes of sex and drugs (I find the whole psychedelic Sixties bit incredibly fascinating).

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Yeah, psychedelic music is sorta childlike sometimes isn't it.  Being For The Benefit Of Mr Kite is a great example.  Didn't Syd Barrett write a lot of his songs using children's stories as the basis?

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limitlessundyinglove said
 Didn't Syd Barrett write a lot of his songs using children's stories as the basis?  

He wrote primarily about fairy tale themes and fantasy and suchlike... it was in vogue at the time, but most importantly he was just that kind of person who never really grows up. 

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Revolver . While there's some elements of their mid period in this album, it still sticks to 14 tracks ranging from 1:45 to 3:00 in length, most of the songs contain all 4 Beatles, playing usual instruments without session musicians, and they were still under their original contract for most of the sessions.

Sgt. Pepper on the other hand is something else. The tracks vary in length from just over a minute to over 5 minutes, half of the songs feature session musicians and while only 2 songs are missing Beatles, a lot of songs have a Beatle playing a minimum role, such as in A Day In The Life where despite having nearly 50 different musicians on the recording George's only role is maracas.

I like to split up the eras like this:

September 1962-July 1964

Early Early Beatles (AKA Beatlemania Beatles)

Releases Covered:

Please Please Me , With The Beatles , A Hard Day's Night , and tracks 1-13 of Mono Masters

August 1964-August 1966

Early Beatles

Releases Covered:

Beatles For Sale , Help !, Rubber Soul , Revolver , and tracks 14-22 of Mono Masters

November 1966-February 1968

Mid Beatles

Releases Covered:

Sgt. Pepper 's Lonely Hearts Club Band, Magical Mystery Tour (Capitol), and tracks 23-24, 27-30, and 33-34 of Mono Masters

May 1968-April 1970

Later Beatles

Releases Covered:

The BEATLES, Abbey Road , Let It Be and tracks 25-30 and 32 of Past Masters

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Here's my personal take, which probably treads on the toes of many other takes here:

Chapter 1: George Martin's awful tie and the Beginning of Beatlemania

Please Please Me , With The Beatles

Period covered: 1962 - 6th February 1964

Please Please Me and With The Beatles were the only two LPs released in the UK before the explosion of Beatlemania. Yes, they were already popular, but Fleet Street had yet to really catch on to their importance. It wasn't until their appearance on Sunday Night at the London Palladium later in the year, and their subsequent televisised performance on the Ed Sullivan Show in America that things really took off.

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A Hard Day's Night , Beatles For Sale , Help !

Period covered: 7th February 1964 - 6th August 1965

You can also classifiy this period as the era where the Beatles never had a day off. The band were now a worldwide phenomenon and the logical step (at the time) was to make a movie or two. It was perhaps lucky for the boys that their films had more commercial appeal than John and Yoko's later offerings. Essentially they were still being told what to do in terms of when to tour or when to record, but they had already started moving away from their contemporaries thanks to their originality and curiousity. By the time they'd released Help ! they were beginning to become disillusioned with their roles and wanted more.

Act 3: Influences and Experiments

Period covered: June 1965 - 26th December 1967

Rubber Soul , Revolver , Sgt. Pepper , Magical Mystery Tour

With Help ! out of the way, The Beatles returned to the studio a few days after John's 25th birthday to begin recording their next album. Although they'd experimented in the studio before (e.g. the feeback on I Feel Fine ) I believe this was the period in which The Beatles truly began to explore a songs potential beyond the standard guitars, bass and drums they'd been accustomed to. Beginning with the sitar on Norweigen Wood, and following various visits to the Abbey Road sound effects cupboard along the way, the Beatles reached the top of the mountain during this period. Other, non-musical experiments, were also a regular occurance during this period. A fact which shaped their perceptions and fashions. Finally, the disaster that was Magical Mystery Tour , shown on the BBC on Boxing Day, 1967 was perhaps the first sign that everything The Beatles touched wouldn't necessarily turn to gold.

Part IV: Indian Apples and The Long and Winding Split

The White Album , Yellow Submarine , Abbey Road , Let it Be

Period Covered: 27th August 1967 - 1970

As Ian MacDonald says, once you reach the top there is nowhere to go but down. In retrospect it didn't take very long for The Beatles to slide down the other side of the mountain, even if they did manage to release three LPs and a soundtrack album within that period. There are many factors which (arguably) contributed to their downfall - the Apple disaster, the death of Brian Epstein, JohnandYoko, Paul's bossiness, Allen Klein, music and personal differences et al, but perhaps the biggest contributor to their split is that the four just didn't want to be Beatles anymore.

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I like how you split up the eras, Tony Japanese. For me, i was thinking in sense of shifts in sound as opposed to popularity. The only thing i don't get is why did you pair Yellow Submarine with their later period as opposed to their mid period.

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Dark Overlord said
I like how you split up the eras, Tony Japanese. For me, i was thinking in sense of shifts in sound as opposed to popularity. The only thing i don't get is why did you pair Yellow Submarine with their later period as opposed to their mid period.  

Purely based on release date @Dark Overlord. I could perhaps group the first two together, but I've always considered there to be a nice divide between Help & Rubber Soul and Magical Mystery Tour & the White Album respectively.

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I consider Help the changing point - the launchpad. Still a couple of covers ala the early albums but the majority being original content. Rubber Soul was an improvement again, and as we know, Revolver upped their techniques once more.

1.The Beatles 2.Sgt. Pepper 3.Abbey Road 4.Magical Mystery Tour 5.Rubber Soul 6.Revolver 7.Help! 8.Let It Be
9.A Hard Day’s Night 10.Please Please Me 11.Beatles For Sale 12.With The Beatles 13.Yellow Submarine

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To me, "early" Beatles is Please Please Me through Revolver , and "Late" Beatles is Sgt Pepper through Abbey Road (which I consider the last Beatles album, even though LIB was released later). However, if I were to break the Beatles down into Early, Middle, and Late, it would look something like this:

 

Early: Please Please Me , With the Beatles, A Hard Day's Night

Transition: Beatles For Sale

Middle: Help , Rubber Soul , Revolver

Transition: Sgt Pepper

Late: Magical Mystery Tour , Yellow Submarine , The White Album , Let It Be , Abbey Road

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Why do you place Yellow Submarine after The BEATLES if you place Abbey Road after Let It Be .

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Dark Overlord said
Why do you place Yellow Submarine after The BEATLES if you place Abbey Road after Let It Be .  

Because I always forget when Yellow Submarine was recorded. mccartney-shrug_01_gif It's an excellent point that you make though; I should switch them.

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50yearslate said
To me, "early" Beatles is Please Please Me through Revolver , and "Late" Beatles is Sgt Pepper through Abbey Road (which I consider the last Beatles album, even though LIB was released later). However, if I were to break the Beatles down into Early, Middle, and Late, it would look something like this:

 

Early: Please Please Me , With the Beatles, A Hard Day's Night

Transition: Beatles For Sale

Middle: Help , Rubber Soul , Revolver

Transition: Sgt Pepper

Late: Magical Mystery Tour , Yellow Submarine , The White Album , Let It Be , Abbey Road   

If Magical Mystery Tour belongs to any of these, it's the transition one with Pepper. It's got so much in common with that album, not to mention coming out the same year and containing singles that were originally meant to be on Pepper. I think the White Album is the real start of their late period. 

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I'd say early is Please Please Me -Rubber Soul

Late- Rubber Soul -Abbey Road

because Rubber Soul is the transition in my mind, when they started doing more experimental stuff and less pop/love songs.

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TheWalrusWasBrian said
I'd say early is Please Please Me -Rubber Soul

Late- Rubber Soul -Abbey Road

because Rubber Soul is the transition in my mind, when they started doing more experimental stuff and less pop/love songs.  

I'm of similar opinion to you. Obviously the transition musically from simple pop/love songs to more complex and/or diverse stuff was gradual and you can hear it as far back as A Hard Day's Night , but Rubber Soul was their first time the album was more important than the single, marking the shift towards them (and the rest of the music industry) treating the album as a piece of art in its own right.

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Mademoiselle Kitty >^..^< said
Not to be rude or anything, but Yellow Submarine , All together Now, and Octopus' Garden ARE children's songs.  

And they’re all great. heart

(Btw, you classify All Together Now as a children’s song? Have you read the lyrics??)

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silverhammerYT said

And they’re all great. heart

(Btw, you classify All Together Now as a children’s song? Have you read the lyrics??)  

Hahaha do you mean the "can i take my friend to bed" part? I've always thought that was strange for a kid's song...

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50yearslate said

Hahaha do you mean the "can i take my friend to bed" part? I've always thought that was strange for a kid's song...  

"kids song" *smiles at camera* they'll never notice

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TheWalrusWasBrian said

"kids song" *smiles at camera* they'll never notice  

It's possible that that was Paul's exact train of thought...

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I agree with those who see Rubber Soul as the tipping point....... where an entire album is considered. Lot's of goodies on all the others albums. No Reply could sit on any of the albums after Please Please Me and up to and including Revolver and not jump out at you.....Well not much.

They moved with the times and learned more every album.....But they could always write.

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