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What do you consider the last "early" Beatles album? (Classify the Beatles albums by era)
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meanmistermustard

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25 June 2013 - 10.48pm

And one of their key attributes. You simply cannot pigeonhole the Beatles and shove all their work into one genre blob. One play of the White Album will highlight that they were quite happy to try anything even if it wasn't all that successful and ruin any such argument. However normally its flippin' good.

Too many acts get stuck with their 'sound' and remain there for however long they last unable to move away as they might alienate their fan base. 

 

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HELP!

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7 August 2013 - 10.46pm

I usually group early beatles from Please Please Me-Help! and then there's probably their best phase Rubber Soul-Sgt. Peppers then MMT-Yellow Sub and then their final two Abbey Road-Let It Be

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Zig said
Very interesting question - I see no wrong answers up above.

To me, the "early period" (era?) would end with AHDN. Once they were under the...shall we say..."Dylan influence", that signified the end of the innocence.

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I think there's a little Dylan influence in AHDN. They were already well aware of who he was, and "I Should Have Known Better" has the harmonica bursts like Dylan used to, whereas their previous harmonica playing in the songs were more melodic. And I hear Dylan in "I'll Be Back." (That song sounds incredible on the Capitol Albums box set version of Beatles '65 with the echo-y stereo.) But maybe that's just me.

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PleasePleaseMe21 said
... their best phase Rubber Soul-Sgt. Peppers then MMT...

I refer to this as the "headphones are a must" phase. a-hard-days-night-ringo-13 Some great listening, that.

wetsroosa said
I think there's a little Dylan influence in AHDN. They were already well aware of who he was...

All true. However, I was not referring to Dylan's musical influence. The fact that they were now unabashedly smoking pot thanks to Dylan was more the meaning.

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All true. However, I was not referring to Dylan's musical influence. The fact that they were now unabashedly smoking pot thanks to Dylan was more the meaning.

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Help because to me it still feels like classic (early) Beatles me. While stuff had begun to change, I feel like you can really start telling the differences with Rubber Soul and Revolver.

Same here - once you started getting that sitar you knew things were changing.

 

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4 August 2014 - 7.39pm

For me I can't decide between these 2

 

1. Beatlemania phase- Please Please Me, With the Beatles, A Hard Days Night, Beatles For Sale

2. Transitional phase- Help, Rubber Soul

3. Pyscadellic/Studio phase- Revolver, Magical Mystery Tour, Sgt Peppers, Yellow Submarine

4. Breakup Beatles phase- White Album, Let it Be, Abbey Road

 

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1. Beatlemania/Touring phase- Please Please Me, With the Beatles, A Hard Days Night, Beatles For Sale, Help

2. Trantional Studio Albums without touring- Rubber Soul, Revolver, MMT, Pepper, YS

3. Breakup Beatles phase- White Album, Let it Be, Abbey Road

 

I am decided on the First and Last phase with the exception of Help!   It's what happens in between that I'm undecided on.  Should Rubber Soul be in the same phase as Revolver and Pepper?  Or was it not psycadellic enough?  Also I'm aware they still toured for Rubber Soul but it was ending soon after.

 

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4 August 2014 - 9.28pm

The transition between Rubber Soul and Revolver is really huge (it feels bigger than the transition between Help! and Rubber Soul but it may as well just be me) but regarding the last ''early'' album, we could go even further back in time (as mentionned earlier) and say Beatles For Sale where darker topics are sung about (I Don't Wanna Spoil The Party, No Reply, I'm A Loser...) and where you can clearly feel Bob Dylan's influence on them. It's also maybe because they were super tired from touring and thus a bit different idk.

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4 August 2014 - 9.52pm

I consider Help to be their last early album. 

I've always thought that the change from Help to Rubber Soul was almost shocking. Rubber Soul was also the first album where George used the sitar, which gave a whole different sound. They also stopped touring after Help, so that maybe may have contributed to the change of sound as they had more time to focus on the writing and recording.

 

I place The Beatles' albums in four different categories:

1. Please Please Me - Help 

2. Rubber Soul - Revolver 

3. Sgt. Pepper's lonely hearts club band - Yellow submarine

4. Abbey Road - Let it be 

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4 August 2014 - 10.04pm

PPM - Hard Days Night

Beatles For Sale - Rubber Soul

Revolver - MMT

The Beatles - Abbey Road

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4 August 2014 - 10.19pm

@Beatleva. The Beatles were still touring after recording Help!, they were still playing live until after having recorded and released Revolver in 1966, their last show being at San Francisco's Candlestick Park on the 29th August 1966. That they were still out on the road and having to perform live is something that makes the quality, maturity and progression clearly evident on Rubber Soul so startling and admirable.

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4 August 2014 - 10.21pm

Oh... I'm so sorry.

Gosh, I feel so stupid now...

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4 August 2014 - 10.24pm

Nothing to apologise for. I once asked if Paul had ever recorded with Ringo before John died (after the split of course). a-hard-days-night-john-7

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4 August 2014 - 10.32pm

It's very hard to divide them like this. How can you do that when the band is constantly changing?

Help! has a very... different feeling, when you compare it to BFS and RS. I find RS their "coolest" album, everything about it is so... secure! It never questions itself, if I can say that. While Help! is the opposite. Heck, the title song really makes you feel you need help. And Revolver? Revolver is miles away from these two, not that they're bad, they're just too different.

So, I'll have to throw a stupid argument here, but that works for me. You see "Dizzy Miss Lizzy"? That marks the end of that "early" period for me. It's kinda frightening, but still awesome at the same time.

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4 August 2014 - 11.06pm

I think Dizzy Miss Lizzy along with Act Naturally would have totally fit in Beatles For Sales with the other rock'n'roll covers. Help! still has the early vibe compare to RB.

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I still maintain Help! was the last early one, as it still came during the peak of Beatlemania and although they were starting to evolve toward the more mature sound they hit upon with Revolver, it also had a lot of elements of the earlier stuff. Being tied to the movie also contributes.

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I still maintain Help! was the last early one, as it still came during the peak of Beatlemania and although they were starting to evolve toward the more mature sound they hit upon with Revolver, it also had a lot of elements of the earlier stuff. Being tied to the movie also contributes.

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Ten years ago, I would have said Rubber Soul

These days, I'd say Help!.

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