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Ideas for a Let It Be anniversary reissue
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I'm sure it would be better than that horrible Fly on the Wall disc from Let It Be ...Naked.   

That really was a waste of CD time. Very few people must have heard it more than once.

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Re. the 'Anthology' edits themselves, compare them to the unedited bootlegs and most are significantly inferior. You can argue for cutting down 'Helter Skelter ' (12 minutes to 4 and a half minutes), 'Los Paranoias' (a crap joke that is even more annoying unfunny in its full length) and '12-Bar Original (uncut it last' 6 minutes plus)  but it was sheer laziness to use the ghastly edit of 'Not Guilty ' which is unlistenable and pathetic to shorten 'Shout'. They cut out a chunk of 'Honey Pie ' when it lasted 2 minutes in total as it was yet extended 'WMGGW' by the use of a totally pointless looped ending so it has to fade!

It's a matter of preferences. I see no point in releasing a former bootleg recording without modifying it, since we (obsessed fans) will always have bootlegs if we want to hear it untouched. I prefer the shortened version of Shout (even though they failed at editing it and left two consecutive bars with the same chord!). I like the fade on WMGGW, and we can assume George approved. Just think about a casual listener who has never heard the bootleg versions.

Personally, I don't see the point of changing the background, editing etc. Give me it as the Beatles did it at the time and let me judge if it's unlistenable unwatchable shit. I'd rather pay for that and ignore. We have three different lengths for 'It's All Too Much '; 6:25 on 'Yellow Submarine ', 2:31 used in the 'Yellow Submarine ' film and 8:21 on the bootlegs. I don't think it's a great song, i'm happy not to hear it for long periods of time but if I do listen to the song I choose the 8:21 as at least it's everything and i'm going all in. Even tho they are outtakes the same goes for '12-Bar Original', even tho it's an overlong rambling mess, and yes even 'Los Paranoias' (and have mercy on my soul). 

It's All To Much is a good example. It's a pretty much ad-libbed performance which, after recorded, has to be edited down to its best parts, in order to make it better. If you are a musician, and you're officially releasing an album, you want to make sure the most embarrassing moments are removed. If you get a wrong note on the guitar, or sing out of key, you'd want that edited out. That's part of the producer's work.

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J Alesait said

That really was a waste of CD time. Very few people must have heard it more than once.  

I think I have only listened to it three or four times in fourteen years. 

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Re. the 'Anthology' edits themselves, compare them to the unedited bootlegs and most are significantly inferior. You can argue for cutting down 'Helter Skelter ' (12 minutes to 4 and a half minutes), 'Los Paranoias' (a crap joke that is even more annoying unfunny in its full length) and '12-Bar Original (uncut it last' 6 minutes plus)  but it was sheer laziness to use the ghastly edit of 'Not Guilty ' which is unlistenable and pathetic to shorten 'Shout'. They cut out a chunk of 'Honey Pie ' when it lasted 2 minutes in total as it was yet extended 'WMGGW' by the use of a totally pointless looped ending so it has to fade!

It's a matter of preferences. I see no point in releasing a former bootleg recording without modifying it, since we (obsessed fans) will always have bootlegs if we want to hear it untouched. I prefer the shortened version of Shout (even though they failed at editing it and left two consecutive bars with the same chord!). I like the fade on WMGGW, and we can assume George approved. Just think about a casual listener who has never heard the bootleg versions.

At times the upgrade in the source makes it more than valuable a release but if its an edit or a duplicate i'll take a duplicate. George or anyone approving doesn't mean they got it right: George personally edited 'You Know My Name' on 'Anthology 2 ' stupidly fading John's nonsensical ending.

Personally, I don't see the point of changing the background, editing etc. Give me it as the Beatles did it at the time and let me judge if it's unlistenable unwatchable shit. I'd rather pay for that and ignore. We have three different lengths for 'It's All Too Much '; 6:25 on 'Yellow Submarine ', 2:31 used in the 'Yellow Submarine ' film and 8:21 on the bootlegs. I don't think it's a great song, i'm happy not to hear it for long periods of time but if I do listen to the song I choose the 8:21 as at least it's everything and i'm going all in. Even tho they are outtakes the same goes for '12-Bar Original', even tho it's an overlong rambling mess, and yes even 'Los Paranoias' (and have mercy on my soul). 

It's All To Much is a good example. It's a pretty much ad-libbed performance which, after recorded, has to be edited down to its best parts, in order to make it better. If you are a musician, and you're officially releasing an album, you want to make sure the most embarrassing moments are removed. If you get a wrong note on the guitar, or sing out of key, you'd want that edited out. That's part of the producer's work.  

'IATM' was officially released as the definitive version that was to be the ultimate go-to and what he wanted the end result to be, it's only natural to want to make it as good as he could; outtakes 30+ years down the road are completely different and should be treated as so. Few fans/critics are going to get as irked at a superfluous chorus or pointless couple of bars in an outtake as they are in the actual end result.

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Just my own opinion, but I feel others may echo it, nowhere near ambitious enough in some aspects, too ambitious in others.

The Sgt. Pepper  box showed what can be done.

I want a second disc comprising of the single versions, one of Glyn Johns' Get Back  versions, with additional Johns' mixes of interest.

Then I want at least four discs following the Twickenham and Savile Row sessions through in chronological order, with chat between songs.

Don't want any OUTFAKES under any conditions. Don't like them on Anthology 2 . Don't like them on Let It Be ... Naked. Wouldn't want them on a (50th) anniversary Let It Be . I'm happy with the break-downs and the short snatches.

Packaged in a 12x12 box with, among other items, a copy of the Get Back  book that was in the original box, the cinema poster, tickets for the London and Liverpool premieres, and Derek Taylor's "The Beatles are alive and well..." press statement.  

 

Actually I think outfakes are one of the few options to get 'new' Beatles material. I don't mind them as long as they are officially sanctioned. What really are the options? The Get Back sessions produced some of the sloppiest stuff ever committed to tape by the group. 30 years ago I'd say it wasn't salvageable but now with better technology some of it could be. Giles Martin has already created outfakes with the Love project which blends pieces of different, existing songs together in new combinations. With the track isolation technology he put to good use here as well as on the Hollywood Bowl remix this is the prime possibility. Witness these two versions of unreleased (in full) White Album track Can You Take Me Back - the first as recorded, the second enhanced by a fan using elements of A Day In The Life and (I think either) Lady Madonna or Hey Jude :

 

 

That reimagining is fantastically well done. From the same album's sessions there's the well known mix of Sour Milk Sea using the Jackie Lomax version with the vocals stripped out and replaced by George's Kinfauns demo:

 

 

Again, a great new Beatles track out of nothing. The Get Back material is more problematical but with the individual elements isolated from the mono Nagra reels 'flying in' some pre-existing material from other existing tunes suitably altered in Pro Tools will add a new dimension. Of course the possibility of Paul and Ringo doing contemporary overdubs technically exists, but I can't see it happening.

 

One way of presenting the material might be through the creation of an Abbey Road style medley from the best of the snippets. That's how ABBA released their unrealised stuff on their impressive box set Thank You For The Music as they had a habit of simply stopping if a track wasn't working and thus no complete outtakes existed. I'd love to hear complete versions of Suzy Parker, The Palace Of The King Of Birds, Madman and Watching Rainbows, sure there are other choices too from the hours of Get Back sessions.

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Why try for a new Beatles track, no matter what is done it will never be anywhere as good as what they created in the 60's. If Apple went down the road of such Frankenstein creations then I am without any hesitation out - but I doubt they ever will due to the outcry from the fans. There was talk of Paul and Ringo working on 'Now And Then' to get it released a few years back and it's not for me. Other bands have done it and I couldn't care less.

 

As for 4 discs of outtakes I cannot see Apple ever going for it. Twickenham is viewed as miserable rehearsals culminating in George walking out, none of them will want too much from then out for the world to hear (the less said of the 'fly on the Wall' disc the better). I'd love to see it happen but Apple's collective egos wouldn't ever get that far before exploding.

 

The big sign for if there is anything is what Apple does for the upcoming 'White Album ' anniversary. If it's ignored or as pointless as the 30th (CD replica of the original LP and a £200 pen - a box set of outtakes and radio special were rumoured but Apple bottled then shelved them) then you can forget anything to do with 'Let It Be '.

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I am taking a safe guess here:

Disc 1 - Let it Be Album from the 70s

Disc 2 - Let it Be (same track order made from outtakes, like they did with SPLHCB )

Disc 3 - Outtakes

Disc 4 - (Audio) Hi Res Audio / (Video) The rooftop concert, music videos and maybe a 5.1 mix (DVD/Blu-Ray)

I am fine with that. I would buy it.

 

I would add:

Disc 5 – The Let it Be album track listing with video footage to go with each. Kind of like 12 music videos in a row or a movie feel (DVD/Blu-Ray)

It would cool to see videos to go with listening to the album. They could get this to work and make it seem like they were in the studio working hard on a new album.  Now the fine print is that it would be video synced with the album audio.  We know they would sync them and try and fake out people to thinking they sounded that good in the studio. Just like the Get Back video from 1+ and some other ones too.

 

Personally I think we will see the albums Abbey Road and/or The Beatles "Anniversary” Box Sets before we see this.  I highly doubt, as it has been said in this thread, the movie will be out for us to buy from The Beatles.

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Reklo87 said
I am taking a safe guess here:

Disc 1 - Let it Be Album from the 70s

Disc 2 - Let it Be (same track order made from outtakes, like they did with SPLHCB )

Disc 3 - Outtakes

Disc 4 - (Audio) Hi Res Audio / (Video) The rooftop concert, music videos and maybe a 5.1 mix (DVD/Blu-Ray)

I am fine with that. I would buy it.

 

I would add:

Disc 5 – The Let it Be album track listing with video footage to go with each. Kind of like 12 music videos in a row or a movie feel (DVD/Blu-Ray)

It would cool to see videos to go with listening to the album. They could get this to work and make it seem like they were in the studio working hard on a new album.  Now the fine print is that it would be video synced with the album audio.  We know they would sync them and try and fake out people to thinking they sounded that good in the studio. Just like the Get Back video from 1+ and some other ones too.

Not a bad idea. I think that, in any case, Apple will have to release the Nagra tapes in some form, for copyright reasons (maybe just on digital format, not physical)

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Actually I think outfakes are one of the few options to get 'new' Beatles material. I don't mind them as long as they are officially sanctioned. What really are the options? The Get Back sessions produced some of the sloppiest stuff ever committed to tape by the group. 30 years ago I'd say it wasn't salvageable but now with better technology some of it could be. Giles Martin has already created outfakes with the Love project which blends pieces of different, existing songs together in new combinations. With the track isolation technology he put to good use here as well as on the Hollywood Bowl remix this is the prime possibility. 

I agree. Some of those recordings can be put to good use now  

From the same album's sessions there's the well known mix of Sour Milk Sea using the Jackie Lomax version with the vocals stripped out and replaced by George's Kinfauns demo:

Again, a great new Beatles track out of nothing. The Get Back material is more problematical but with the individual elements isolated from the mono Nagra reels 'flying in' some pre-existing material from other existing tunes suitably altered in Pro Tools will add a new dimension. Of course the possibility of Paul and Ringo doing contemporary overdubs technically exists, but I can't see it happening.

That's exactly what I was saying

One way of presenting the material might be through the creation of an Abbey Road style medley from the best of the snippets. That's how ABBA released their unrealised stuff on their impressive box set Thank You For The Music as they had a habit of simply stopping if a track wasn't working and thus no complete outtakes existed. I'd love to hear complete versions of Suzy Parker, The Palace Of The King Of Birds, Madman and Watching Rainbows, sure there are other choices too from the hours of Get Back sessions.  

Not a bad idea

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If I had to pick anything it would be the complete rooftop concert. It's the best part of the film and marred by vox pops taking the focus off the performance.  

A big yes to this idea.

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Just thought of another possibility: All Things Must Pass - and not the solo version from Anthology 3 . The demo version found on George's Early Takes Volume 1 features Ringo on drums and it should be simple to isolate their performances as a basis of the track. There are run-throughs within the Get Back sessions featuring John separately playing guitar and Lowrey organ (he shouts 'yeah!' at one point) which could be isolated using Pro Tools for his contribution. Additionally Paul sang both lead vocal and played bass on the track during The Concert For George; and given Led Zeppelin could get rid of enough ambient noise to put two live tracks on Coda without anyone initially suspecting it should be possible to 'fly-in' Paul's performance to see him either harmonise with George or alternate vocals. I'd love Giles Martin to have a go at that! It would certainly be different to the Spector version.

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Old Soak said
Just thought of another possibility: All Things Must Pass - and not the solo version from Anthology 3 . The demo version found on George's Early Takes Volume 1 features Ringo on drums and it should be simple to isolate their performances as a basis of the track. There are run-throughs within the Get Back sessions featuring John separately playing guitar and Lowrey organ (he shouts 'yeah!' at one point) which could be isolated using Pro Tools for his contribution. Additionally Paul sang both lead vocal and played bass on the track during The Concert For George; and given Led Zeppelin could get rid of enough ambient noise to put two live tracks on Coda without anyone initially suspecting it should be possible to 'fly-in' Paul's performance to see him either harmonise with George or alternate vocals. I'd love Giles Martin to have a go at that! It would certainly be different to the Spector version.  

They could piece random lyrics together from random words sang between 1962 and the present day to create a totally new lyric that is then placed over a newly created backing track from whenever and wherever, call it Beatles and pretend it's genuine.

 

Do this every 10 years and every generation until the world ends gets a brand new shiny Beatles track. 

 

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It's already happening with live albums so not much of a stretch - they'll take the 'best' performance of each song, so the drums could be recorded in Italy, the bass in Portugal,  the guitar in Switzerland and the vocals in Belgium and you'd never know. 

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Old Soak said
Just thought of another possibility: All Things Must Pass - and not the solo version from Anthology 3 . The demo version found on George's Early Takes Volume 1 features Ringo on drums and it should be simple to isolate their performances as a basis of the track. There are run-throughs within the Get Back sessions featuring John separately playing guitar and Lowrey organ (he shouts 'yeah!' at one point) which could be isolated using Pro Tools for his contribution. Additionally Paul sang both lead vocal and played bass on the track during The Concert For George; and given Led Zeppelin could get rid of enough ambient noise to put two live tracks on Coda without anyone initially suspecting it should be possible to 'fly-in' Paul's performance to see him either harmonise with George or alternate vocals. I'd love Giles Martin to have a go at that! It would certainly be different to the Spector version.  

You don't have to go that far. I just used rehearsals of the four Beatles playing ATMP together at Twickenham:

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Although I'm in agreement with meanmistermustard on this, I have to admit, that's the best "Beatles" version of 'All Things Must Pass ' that I've heard...  There's just too many moral issues with this being the new direction for Apple to take...  The Beatles (minus John, of course) have all ready ruffled a few feathers with the 'Free As A Bird ' & 'Real Love ' records, where they added tracks to a demo that was nearly two decades old at the time, and those records weren't even all that successful...  It appears that there's enough people around all ready butchering their tracks to satisfy anyone's curiosity of "what could've been", Apple doesn't need to get in on it too...  The 'Love' album wasn't really designed to dominate the charts, or introduce another generation to The Beatles' music...  It was an accompanying disc to the stage production and that's about it, and the results are very underwhelming, to say the least...

 

The more I think of it...  Apple should lock up the vaults forever and throw away the key...  The state of music today is in a shambles, and has been for quite some time...  A big part of that is that "musicians" nowadays tend to set up studios in their bedrooms before they even know how to play an instrument, and many of them don't ever pick one up...  Technology has taken over to the point where there's really not much substance anymore...  Even when people do use real drums now, their tracks are processed to sound like a drum machine anyway...  Seriously, do people even write anymore?  Why bother when you can use someone else's recording for the catchy chorus then have somebody shoot their mouth off (cRAP) endlessly for the verses...  I'm thinking that maybe Apple comes off a little smarter by focusing on preserving The Beatles' legacy all of these years...  You don't want today's generation taking their music and running with it...  This would be a disaster of epic proportions...:-)   

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We don't want people of the future to think of the Beatles this way. Crikey!

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The first time I heard All Things Must Pass played in the LIB rehearsals, I was confused why it never made it onto the album. Paul’s harmony sounds fantastic. But as @meanmistermustard said, you realky don’t have to look very far to find this. There are dozens of Beatles versions of ATMP played in January of 1969

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A big yes to this idea.  

Yes and no from me. The vox pops and other 2nd unit stuff from street level and the adjacent buildings isn't enthralling after a couple of viewings, but I certainly think that they're worth seeing once, historical interest and all that.

My ideal solution would be an option where all alternate camera angles are available and toggle-able for viewers.

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It's already happening with live albums so not much of a stretch - they'll take the 'best' performance of each song, so the drums could be recorded in Italy, the bass in Portugal,  the guitar in Switzerland and the vocals in Belgium and you'd never know.   

We will know. Apple messed around with the live performances in the 'Eight Days A Week ' film and within about 2 hours of seeing it fans were posting online how each and every one of the songs Apple pissed around with had been done. Hardcore fans are out there who can listen to Paul's bass guitar from a performance of 'Long Tall Sally ' in 1964 and date it within minutes, don't ask me how, so don't underestimate the scale of in-depth minutiae Beatles fans have.

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Yes and no from me. The vox pops and other 2nd unit stuff from street level and the adjacent buildings isn't enthralling after a couple of viewings, but I certainly think that they're worth seeing once, historical interest and all that.

My ideal solution would be an option where all alternate camera angles are available and toggle-able for viewers.  

I’m all for it because it’s something ‘new’ to officially release. To be honest, with Let It Be ...Naked, I’ve had my fill of exploring this era. I think it’s been covered fairly well now. That’s at least something closer to their original intent. But of course I’d be interested to see what they’d come up with for any reissue.

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