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11 July 2010
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I've noticed this before, but I wanted to ask it here on the forum and get opions from you fine folks. (Hopefully I can explain this adequetly)

Ringo's syncopated drumming is consistanly on the up beat between beats 3 & 4 and 4 & 1  However, at 1:03 and again at 1:05, he goes to a more straitforward pattern on the 4 beat and the subsequent 8th note.

At 1:07, he plays the syncopated pattern once more and then goes the the straightforward pattern on beat 4 and the subsequent 8th note for the rest of the song.

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Yes. Paul designed the drum pattern specifically to make it sound like it's almost ending but at the same time starting over. Quite ingenious if I say so myself.

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11 July 2010
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I know Paul designed it, but was the change in pattern intentional?

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11 July 2010
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Yeah. Like I said, he designed the drum pattern specifically to make it sound like it's almost ending but at the same time starting over.

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12 July 2010
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I'd quite like to hear some outtakes to see what they did, but unfortunately they only ever recorded two takes of the rhythm track. The first was a false start.

I always presumed Ringo went for a more conventional beat towards the end so it made the song sound more exciting.

Other Beatles drum parts suggested by McCartney? Tomorrow Never Knows was his. Was In My Life too? The same beat was used on It's Only Love (Anthology 2 version), so I guess he had it knocking around for a while.

And Back In The USSR /Dear Prudence , of course. Any others?

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12 July 2010
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Oh! Darling maybe. Get Back was Paul's pattern I'm sure.

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28 July 2010
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It's funny - I only noticed that (Ringo's abandonment of the circular beats) relatively recently myself. Hear a song 9000 times and it's only after the 8500th listening that you pick up that detail = strange. I guess they had to insert a little bit of variety, otherwise it's just essentially a two-verse song played twice in a row.

Always love how Ringo varies those "Ri-hi-hide" fills so drastically each time out!

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Casually listening, one can discern three guitars being played:

- George playing the riff

- John playing a droning, one-note rhythm

- Paul doing the fills

 

However, listening to the isolated tracks, one can hear a "hidden" fourth guitar, playing chords...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?N.....wAVp3gRrew

It's practically inaudible in the final product. I just thought it was interesting.

20 February 2013
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Doesn't Paul play the main riff?

He's usually credited with playing lead guitar on 'Ticket To Ride ' and 'Another Girl ' on the Help ! album.

20 February 2013
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There are more than three guitars on it.

Mark Lewisohn offers this breakdown of the four-track in The Complete Recording Sessions:

     track one: drums and bass guitar

     track two: rhythm and lead guitar

     track three: John's lead vocal

     track four: tambourine, guitars and backing vocals

And, yes, Paul does play lead guitar on the song.

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20 February 2013
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Yeah, Paul plays the solo during the fade, and the lead bits that come after "...ought to do right by meeeee!" Lots of bendy notes. (As in "Another Girl ".)

That's what I believe was meant by "lead guitar" in that context. I don't personally think it meant the main ringing guitar part that "Ticket To Ride " is built on. But who knows, I'm not positive.

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Lewisohn's description of Paul's contribution is, "Paul played both bass guitar and lead guitar on the song, including the characteristic opening sequence."

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20 February 2013
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I believe he's mistaken, as that would require going through the hassle of re-stringing the Rickenbacker. The bendy bits after the bridges and during the fadeout are definitely Macca on the Casino, though.

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I believe he's mistaken, as that would require going through the hassle of re-stringing the Rickenbacker. The bendy bits after the bridges and during the fadeout are definitely Macca on the Casino, though.

I believe there's something you're forgetting, Paul got damn good at playing guitars upside down, so there would have been no need to re-string the Rickenbacker. When he first got his hands on Stu Sutcliffe's bass, Stu wouldn't let him re-string it, because of the expense of bass strings and the probability of a string breaking in the process. He spent months playing an upside-down bass. The vast majority of guitars he picked up were strung for a right-hander, but he could play them. He'd learnt how to do what he wanted upside-down. Every source I have seen has McCartney playing the lead, and George and John on rhythm. Lewisohn, for all the faults on what he left out that was recorded, is usually pretty accurate on who played what when he takes the time to mention it.

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21 February 2013
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I dunno...I still don't think that chiming intro is what is meant by "lead guitar".

Has anyone seen live footage of the song? Who played the intro at Shea Stadium?

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21 February 2013
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vonbontee said
Has anyone seen live footage of the song? Who played the intro at Shea Stadium?

Sorry, vonbontee, but I just think that's irrelevant. Paul played bass onstage. There is no instance that I'm aware of of Paul playing anything but bass during The Beatles live years. Him playing lead on TTR live would have been physically impossible, because he had a Hofner Violin Bass in his hands. That says nothing to who played lead in the studio. George played the bit that we all accept was Paul perfectly well live, so why wouldn't he be able to play the bit there's some question mark over?

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21 February 2013
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Well, I don't think it's entirely irrelevent. If George was perfectly capable of playing that part himself - and we all know he was - it just makes it more peculiar that he wouldn't have played it originally in the studio, when Paul already had bass and lead guitar parts to occupy himself with in that song. Especially when they only had four tracks to work with, I would think they'd want to try and minimize the number of bounce-downs by distributing the instrumental parts more efficiently.

But, whatever. If Lewisohn isn't trustworthy, nobody is; and if he's sure that Paul played that 12-string part that opens the song and continues throughout...I guess I'll have to believe him. So, exactly what did John and George play?

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21 February 2013
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There are probably at least five guitar tracks on TTR. John and George are both credited with rhythm. One of those rhythm tracks would be the chord playing underlay that started this thread. As to the "If George was perfectly capable of playing that part himself – and we all know he was – it just makes it more peculiar that he wouldn't have played it originally in the studio," we also know George was perfectly capable of playing Paul's lead at the end live, so why wouldn't he have done that in the studio? - but we know and accept that's Paul, even if George could do it just fine. Once you get into overdubbed studio recordings, there is compromise when you perform live. As soon as you accept that what was done in the studio could not be done live, then you end up at the conclusion that what you see live, especially at that time, was the compromise arrived at to get close to the studio recording. Remember, one of the reasons they gave for quitting live, was the fact that they were doing stuff in the studio that they could no longer find a way to do on stage.

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21 February 2013
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we also know George was perfectly capable of playing Paul's lead at the end live, so why wouldn't he have done that in the studio? – but we know and accept that's Paul

Sure, because it reads "Lead Guitar: Paul" right in the liner notes! And it says the same on "Another Girl ", and you can hear the parts in question in both songs and hear how they sound similar.

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21 February 2013
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I'm not looking at the liner notes, I'm looking at Lewisohn. There are times when Lewisohn says the liner notes are wrong, and are proved wrong by the tapes, so everything I'm saying is from Lewisohn's hearing of the original tapes.

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