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The problem with all the interviews is a combination of hazy memory, for some the drugs, and (possibly inadvertent) wanting to look better to history.
You really notice this during “Anthology” where George can’t recall which album many of the songs are on, and Paul (seemingly) can’t recall being the instigator for “Magical Mystery Tour “, though that latter may be a humorous transparent attempt to divert the blame.
And then you have John saying almost all of his Beatles songs were crap, mostly because he wanted to move on.
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Offline Ahhh Girl said
I’m glad Jane got to make her own decision. Has she spoken about that decision to leave Paul? Was it the hardest thing she ever had to do or was it rather simple?
From what I understand, she has refused to speak about Paul since the break up.
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Ahhh Girl said
I’m glad Jane got to make her own decision. Has she spoken about that decision to leave Paul? Was it the hardest thing she ever had to do or was it rather simple?
From what I understand, she has refused to speak about Paul since the break up.
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Ah. Probably the wisest course she could take.
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Ahhh Girl said
I’m glad Jane got to make her own decision. Has she spoken about that decision to leave Paul? Was it the hardest thing she ever had to do or was it rather simple?
From what I understand, she has refused to speak about Paul since the break up.
parlance
Ah. Probably the wisest course she could take.
Sometimes I really wish she would talk publically about her and Paul and the Beatles, because she was around for nearly the whole time…but I really admire and respect her for not giving in to media pressure or selling her story.
In slightly un-related Paul-interview news, did anyone see him on Jimmy Fallon the other night? He invented the selfie and the photobomb!
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parlance said
Ahhh Girl said
I’m glad Jane got to make her own decision. Has she spoken about that decision to leave Paul? Was it the hardest thing she ever had to do or was it rather simple?
From what I understand, she has refused to speak about Paul since the break up.
parlance
Ah. Probably the wisest course she could take.
And a bit of class and dignity on her part as well as showing that at the time they really did care for each other. A very welcome change to all the spill all and add a few embellishments for a million pounds stories in newspapers, magazines, online blogs & books that are now so common.
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bikelock28 said
Sometimes I really wish she would talk publically about her and Paul and the Beatles, because she was around for nearly the whole time…but I really admire and respect her for not giving in to media pressure or selling her story.
Much as I sometimes curse her, aware that she holds a perspective on Beatle Paul that NOBODY else has/has had, I have huge respect for her. Virtually everybody, including her own brother, has spoken about what they saw. Only she, and one or two others, have remained silent. Every interview the subject of Paul arises, she shuts the subject down. Hell, Paul has said more about their relationship, and where it went wrong, than she has! And she could rightly feel there are perceptions she would like to correct.
Jumping a few years ahead, that will be one of the most interesting things about Lewisohn’s Volume Two, will he have got Jane to discuss it on any level? I don’t know whether I hope he succeeds or not.
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bikelock28 said
parlance said
Ahhh Girl said
I’m glad Jane got to make her own decision. Has she spoken about that decision to leave Paul? Was it the hardest thing she ever had to do or was it rather simple?
From what I understand, she has refused to speak about Paul since the break up.
parlance
Ah. Probably the wisest course she could take.
Sometimes I really wish she would talk publically about her and Paul and the Beatles, because she was around for nearly the whole time…but I really admire and respect her for not giving in to media pressure or selling her story.
In slightly un-related Paul-interview news, did anyone see him on Jimmy Fallon the other night? He invented the selfie and the photobomb!
Yes, its been posted elsewhere in the forums and I watched live/taped (I think it was taped), but that part is funny.
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Offline I doubt Jane would say a lot about her relationship to Mark L as it seems to be a very private time of her life from long ago and one she wants to keep between herself and Paul – which should be hugely admired. Whilst many of the fans and writers would like to know i doubt there is much benefit to Jane or her family, some probably already know some of it already, to speak about what went on back then. Personally i’d rather it stayed that way so we have at least one person in the Beatles story who hasn’t told all – it’s reassuring in a world where it seems that every milkman, auntie and dog-walker who ever been in the near vicinity of a Beatle has written a book.
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bikelock28 said
Sometimes I really wish she would talk publically about her and Paul and the Beatles, because she was around for nearly the whole time…but I really admire and respect her for not giving in to media pressure or selling her story.Much as I sometimes curse her, aware that she holds a perspective on Beatle Paul that NOBODY else has/has had, I have huge respect for her. Virtually everybody, including her own brother, has spoken about what they saw. Only she, and one or two others, have remained silent. Every interview the subject of Paul arises, she shuts the subject down. Hell, Paul has said more about their relationship, and where it went wrong, than she has! And she could rightly feel there are perceptions she would like to correct.
I am with you on that. Perhaps on setting the story straight, she does not want any drama which I think is classy of her.
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Offline Yes, it is classy of Jane to be above all the hub-bub, but to have that piece of Beatles history going to her grave with her is hard to take. She knew back then that she was wrapped up in a part of a world treasure and phenomenon. Perhaps she will leave something to be published posthumously?
Pure speculation on my part here: Did losing Jane hit/hurt Paul so hard that when he found Linda he promised himself that he would quit his infidelity conquests and be true to only her? Is that why the two of them never had a night apart? I’m sure he knew what he was capable of doing.
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14 January 2013
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Yes, it is classy of Jane to be above all the hub-bub, but to have that piece of Beatles history going to her grave with her is hard to take. She knew back then that she was wrapped up in a part of a world treasure and phenomenon. Perhaps she will leave something to be published posthumously?Pure speculation on my part here: Did losing Jane hit/hurt Paul so hard that when he found Linda he promised himself that he would quit his infidelity conquests and be true to only her? Is that why the two of them never had a night apart? I’m sure he knew what he was capable of doing.
Maybe thats why they did almost everything together and only spending those 9 nights apart when he was in jail. Its perfectly normal to do stuff together with your spouse, but I think they did more than the average couple. Perhaps, this is why their marriage lasted so long though. Who knows really.
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Ahhh Girl said
Yes, it is classy of Jane to be above all the hub-bub, but to have that piece of Beatles history going to her grave with her is hard to take. She knew back then that she was wrapped up in a part of a world treasure and phenomenon. Perhaps she will leave something to be published posthumously?Pure speculation on my part here: Did losing Jane hit/hurt Paul so hard that when he found Linda he promised himself that he would quit his infidelity conquests and be true to only her? Is that why the two of them never had a night apart? I’m sure he knew what he was capable of doing.
In addition to maintaining a dignified silence, I think Jane very much wanted to maintain her individuality and not be overshadowed all the time by the Beatles legend. Jane didn’t even like being lumped in as one of the “Beatle girls” back in the ’60s: she wouldn’t pose with the other wives for that “Women of the Beatles” photoshoot, she didn’t like hanging out with the group much as she thought Paul behaved differently around them and didn’t care for that. After they broke up, she did intriguingly say about Paul that “Perhaps we’ll be childhood sweethearts and meet and get married when we’re about 70.” But she wanted to move on and live her life and be taken notice of on her own merits as an actor (and later for her cookbooks/cakes, etc.). She probably figured every interview or article written about her would turn into one about the Beatles if she allowed it.
Still. I can’t help hoping for a posthumous memoir, too!
And I think your speculation is a good one. According to Alistair Taylor, Paul was totally shattered by the breakup with Jane, and would spend long nights literally crying on his shoulder and obsessing over what an idiot he’d been to lose her. So maybe it was something of a wake-up call that if he found love again, he should do everything he could not to screw it up (pun intended). Also I suspect Linda put the fear of God into him. The “never a night apart” policy may have been something of a preemptive strategy.
5.38pm
17 January 2013
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Yes, it is classy of Jane to be above all the hub-bub, but to have that piece of Beatles history going to her grave with her is hard to take. She knew back then that she was wrapped up in a part of a world treasure and phenomenon. Perhaps she will leave something to be published posthumously?Pure speculation on my part here: Did losing Jane hit/hurt Paul so hard that when he found Linda he promised himself that he would quit his infidelity conquests and be true to only her? Is that why the two of them never had a night apart? I’m sure he knew what he was capable of doing.
I like to think that Linda and Paul spent all their time together because they genuinely enjoyed each other that much. They seemed so great together. Jane seemed like a nice girl and all, but she seemed kinda dull too (no offence to anyone that is a fan, I have been chastised on this forum before for making stabs at Jane… but it’s just my opinion). Linda and Paul were on the same level. They toked together, they were in a band together, they became vegetarians, they had their family. With Jane things seemed much more separate. She had her life, and he had his.. which included him cheating on her many times over.
I’ve never been a huge fan of him and Jane, maybe partly because I am such a Linda fan, partly because she seemed like kind of a bore… but I have always respected that Jane has kept it classy and never told their story. According to his authorized biography she came home to him cheating on her with that Francie Schwartz. I’m sure she would have quite the story to tell.
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1 August 2013
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Not to lend any credence to anything Francie Schwartz had to say, but my recollection of that conversation is that Francie claimed Paul suggested Jane liked being hit in the context of BDSM. Take it with a truckload of salt, but consensual play isn’t the same as abuse. I’m not even sure Paul said he’d followed through on that or was too freaked out by the idea.parlance
To me, the anecdote from the book doesn’t suggest sex-play at all (let me know if you want to see the actual excerpt… I do have it bookmarked somewhere). However, it’s funny you should mention it because one of the several things Schwartz backpedaled on during her RMB blitz was this very thing. IIRC, the other posters asked her about it, and she was dismissive, saying they’d misinterpreted, that it wasn’t slapping in the “violent” sense. Which was met with confusion, understandably, and at least one poster asked if it had been a sex-play thing, then. I don’t know if she ever responded. So, who knows?
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Offline It’s not a science, of course, and there’s unavoidably room for subjective relative error; but I can see in Linda, and in the interactions of Paul and Linda, that it was true love. Once that’s the case, you’re doomed. Game over.
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Offline I think that Paul has also done a lot of growning up, gotten over having all these women throwing themselves at him wherever he went, and wanted a family. With Linda he got that instantly and knew that he couldn’t mess about or he would be out on his backside, not just because of Linda but also Heather – Linda wouldn’t let any guy into their lives or take any crap on behalf of protecting her daughter and that would have been laid down very early on.
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8 November 2012
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To me, the anecdote from the book doesn’t suggest sex-play at all (let me know if you want to see the actual excerpt… I do have it bookmarked somewhere). However, it’s funny you should mention it because one of the several things Schwartz backpedaled on during her RMB blitz was this very thing. IIRC, the other posters asked her about it, and she was dismissive, saying they’d misinterpreted, that it wasn’t slapping in the “violent” sense. Which was met with confusion, understandably, and at least one poster asked if it had been a sex-play thing, then. I don’t know if she ever responded. So, who knows?
Thanks, I got it (and in case anyone wants to, you can find it by googling Francie Schwartz Body Count pdf, and Paul is in Chapter 8).
And the quote is confusing. Here’s the bit on p41, which I’ll put behind spoilers tags so that people who don’t want to read the tawdry details don’t have to:
I was getting tired to the bone, and lonely. Paul’s enthusiasm for Apple was shrinking. Even the recording sessions were strained. He came home drunk on the nights they had recorded a John or George song. Often, I’d get a confused harangue, straight from the darkest corner of his mind, about how women liked to be treated rotten. He said he had hit Jane a couple times, and found her more turned on by the pain and tears than his tentative sexual approach. After each of these little mindbusters, he’d look to me for an explanation. He expected a transformation to take place, and I was helpless.
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1 August 2013
Offline LongHairedLady said
I like to think that Linda and Paul spent all their time together because they genuinely enjoyed each other that much. They seemed so great together. Jane seemed like a nice girl and all, but she seemed kinda dull too (no offence to anyone that is a fan, I have been chastised on this forum before for making stabs at Jane… but it’s just my opinion). Linda and Paul were on the same level. They toked together, they were in a band together, they became vegetarians, they had their family.
Absolutely! They were obviously in love and great friends. And I agree Linda was a better match for him — she balanced him out, helped him relax, told him “it’s allowed,” encouraged him to get in touch with nature and live simply and be a dirty hippy minstrel, which seems to have been really good for him. Whereas I think Jane probably reinforced his compulsive/overachiever/perfectionist anxiety-loop side.
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