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Ron Nasty
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8 January 2013 - 1.04am

He definitely does not say "would" he says "if". If Mandela had walked out of prison and when he gave his speech called for the violent overthrow of South Africa as it stood what might have happened? But who could imagine him doing that?

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9 February 2013 - 9.11am

I've dipped into this a little in the past, but I don't anymore.  It's just giving him the fame that he wanted, and I'm not going to feed into it anymore.  I don't even like to speak or type his name.  "He" can piss off.  a-hard-days-night-paul-11

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9 February 2013 - 4.43pm

Refusing to say his name doesn't make a difference. You still know what his what name is, who his is, and what he did. If he wanted fame, he got that, though I don't understand why anybody would want so many people to dislike them.

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9 February 2013 - 9.13pm

unknown said
Refusing to say his name doesn't make a difference. You still know what his what name is, who his is, and what he did. If he wanted fame, he got that, though I don't understand why anybody would want so many people to dislike them.

He felt he was a nobody and wanted to become a somebody, thru killing John he has. His name will always be known, passed down the ages. For as long as John is highly-esteemed and remembered then Chapman will also be remembered as the man who killed him. Bad publicity in this case is better than no publicity for him.

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10 February 2013 - 3.27am

unknown said
Refusing to say his name doesn't make a difference. 

Makes all the difference to me.  a-hard-days-night-john-1

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11 February 2013 - 3.24am

LongHairedLady said

unknown said
Refusing to say his name doesn't make a difference. 

Makes all the difference to me.  a-hard-days-night-john-1

I'm also someone who calls him "him" or "he" unless the conversation dictates otherwise. It may not make a difference to what happened, but if he was only ever referred to as "the thing who fired the gun", if "the murderer" became how he was referred to, if that was how we chose to place him, then his name would be less carved in history than he would like.

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11 February 2013 - 4.31pm

Exactly.

"Please don't bring your banjo back, I know where it's been..  I wasn't hardly gone a day, when it became the scene..  Banjos!  Banjos!  All the time, I can't forget that tune..  and if I ever see another banjo, I'm going out and buy a big balloon!"

 

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12 February 2013 - 6.30pm

mja6758 said

I'm also someone who calls him "him" or "he" unless the conversation dictates otherwise.

My term is "the a_ _hole in the orange jump suit".

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12 February 2013 - 7.20pm

Zig said

mja6758 said

I'm also someone who calls him "him" or "he" unless the conversation dictates otherwise.

My term is "the a_ _hole in the orange jump suit".

I can go for that. I also like the nickname he was given in his teens and hated so much, "Nemo", the Latin word meaning "no man" or "no one".

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12 February 2013 - 7.44pm

mja6758 said

Zig said

mja6758 said

I'm also someone who calls him "him" or "he" unless the conversation dictates otherwise.

My term is "the a_ _hole in the orange jump suit".

I can go for that. I also like the nickname he was given in his teens and hated so much, "Nemo", the Latin word meaning "no man" or "no one".

 

How appropriate - Nemo also wears an orange jump suit.

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12 February 2013 - 8.07pm

a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 I doff my imaginary cap. Have an apple01

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10 March 2013 - 4.38pm

He (Chapman) also had a copy of Catcher In The Rye by J D Salinger, in which the boy in the book, Holden Caulfield, hates 'phonies,' and was influenced heavily by it. 

 

He was reading it when the police arrived at The Dakota, I believe.

 

But there is of course the famous pic of Lennon signing for a smiling Chapman, happily obliging him.. on the day of the murder.. which I always find very haunting.

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10 March 2013 - 9.25pm

greghumphreysART said

 

But there is of course the famous pic of Lennon signing for a smiling Chapman, happily obliging him.. on the day of the murder.. which I always find very haunting.

I thought I read somewhere that, although John did sign it for Chapman, Chapman felt like John had somehow slighted him in some subtle way, and that triggered a resentment in him.  Of course, we also know that he had planned to kill him and had flown to NYC from Hawaii for that purpose, but you never know with schizophrenics like Chapman: had John treated him with more respect, Chapman's neurons may have reconfigured and he may have walked away and never come back.

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10 March 2013 - 11.10pm

Funny Paper said

greghumphreysART said
 

But there is of course the famous pic of Lennon signing for a smiling Chapman, happily obliging him.. on the day of the murder.. which I always find very haunting.

I thought I read somewhere that, although John did sign it for Chapman, Chapman felt like John had somehow slighted him in some subtle way, and that triggered a resentment in him.  Of course, we also know that he had planned to kill him and had flown to NYC from Hawaii for that purpose, but you never know with schizophrenics like Chapman: had John treated him with more respect, Chapman's neurons may have reconfigured and he may have walked away and never come back.

I appreciate what you saying, but somebody like Chapman could obtain a signature every day for 5 months with a smile, then, when given one with less of a jollity, could use that as an 'excuse' to do what he did.

I genuinely believe John was a dead man walking with Chapman, and... whenever it was going to happen... it WAS always going to happen.

 

Tragically.

 

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26 August 2014 - 8.31pm

Sorry friends, today I am asking too much!

For you, what was the karma of John's death?

They did so much good, I can not understand why his death was so tragic ....

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26 August 2014 - 8.57pm

I dont believe there was karma behind it. A human being decided to commit an unspeakably evil act and killed someone for their own means, to lay that does as some act or karma takes away some of the blame for me. And i still fail to understand it 20+ years after i first read about it and understood what happened.

I heard Dhani (George's son for those who dont know) say words to the effect that George viewed it as God has a plan for our lives and on that day someone ripped out those pages and changed it forever.

 

Note: @Rita Eleanor, i've moved your post and my reply to this thread as i think it fits better, hopefully you are ok with that.

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meanmistermustard said
I dont believe there was karma behind it. A human being decided to commit an unspeakably evil act and killed someone for their own means, to lay that does as some act or karma takes away some of the blame for me. And i still fail to understand it 20+ years after i first read about it and understood what happened.

I heard Dhani (George's son for those who dont know) say words to the effect that George viewed it as God has a plan for our lives and on that day someone ripped out those pages and changed it forever.

 

Note: @Rita Eleanor, i've moved your post and my reply to this thread as i think it fits better, hopefully you are ok with that.

I think I agree with you and Dhani. John really did nothing to make it a karma, and also think Chapman tore the pages in the worst possible way. I do not know if you've seen an interview of him talking about the day he committed the crime, he speaks with a espantadora naturalness. I still can not believe it was exactly like that, the images of his murder run through my mind, "and all I have is a photograph." Love and Peace John ...

 

Note: @meanmistermustard, I also think you should have moved my question icon for this place ... thanks and hugs!

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30 September 2015 - 11.35pm

Does anyone know how many bullets were shot at John when he was killed? That would be kind of freaky if it were 6. 

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@I was the walrus, i've moved your post here as it seems more appropriate here - some folk arent so keen on reading about Johns murder and it keeps the 'Happiness Is A Warm Gun' thread on topic. I do hope that is ok.

 

John was shot at 5 times of which 4 hit him.

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To answer the question about karma, I'm very sure that John viewed his own death as karma. While in Bermuda, John told Fred Seaman that he believed he would meet a violent end as karma for the bad things he had done.

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