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1 December 2009
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All this talk about how she led him on…but what if she WANTED sex and John couldn’t perform? And she laughs at him, and he crawls away humiliated?
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BeatlebugGEORGE: In fact, The Detroit Sound. JOHN: In fact, yes. GEORGE: In fact, yeah. Tamla-Motown artists are our favorites. The Miracles. JOHN: We like Marvin Gaye. GEORGE: The Impressions PAUL & GEORGE: Mary Wells. GEORGE: The Exciters. RINGO: Chuck Jackson. JOHN: To name but eighty.
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24 March 2014
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A few days ago , when looking for some info about their acid party in L.A. , i came across this:
Joan Baez: There weren’t enough bedrooms for everybody, so John told me I could stay in his room. So I went to sleep and he came in during the middle of the night, and I think he felt compelled, and he started coming on to me, very unenthusiastically […] I said, “John, you know, I’m probably as tired as you are, and I don’t want you to feel you have to perform on my behalf…”
And he said, “Oh, luvly! I mean, what a relief! Because you see, well, you might say I’ve already been fooked downstairs….”
So we had a good laugh and went to sleep.
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Randomly came across this individual’s analysis of ’Norwegian Wood ’ and it’s pretty funny. Please note there are some naughty words that may cause some offence – so if you get easily irked or don’t like rude humour, please don’t read.
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4.24am
26 January 2017
Offline I recently read Murakami’s ‘Norwegian Wood ‘, widely considered to be his best novel. It’s set in Tokyo in the late 60s, and it features a lot of Beatley music and references, but best of all is the title since this song is the favourite of one of the characters.
“While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I’m a naysayer and hatchet man in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I’ll gladly take another - because I choose to live my life in the company of Ghandi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression and retaliation. The foundation of such a method is love. I love you, Sheriff Truman.”
9.42am
18 September 2016
Offline My favourite Lennon composition and one of my top 5 Beatles tracks. I see that in the Song section there is mention of Maureen Cleave but none of Sonny Freeman, as the possible reference in the song. John says he doesn’t remember the specific woman, but I think it’s worse if it is Sonny, on Robert Freeman’s suggestion they lived above them in Emperor’s Gate. She is photographed in Austrian Alps with Cynthia, Patti and Maureen in March 1965, they seem friends on film set of Help , I know John started the song in Jan 65 in Switzerland. Was it Sonny I wonder. I feel really sad for Cynthia if it was Sonny, more so than Maureen Cleave. Perhaps it was both!
Anyway a brilliant song, regardless.
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11.46am
1 December 2009
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My favourite Lennon composition and one of my top 5 Beatles tracks. Was it Sonny I wonder. I feel really sad for Cynthia if it was Sonny, more so than Maureen Cleave. Perhaps it was both!Anyway a brilliant song, regardless.
Yeah, it’s in my Top 20 too, and my favourite track on RS.
Currently rereading Philip Norman’s Lennon bio, and he takes pains to point out Sonny Freeman’s Norwegian lineage, and the wood-paneling in their apartment…
I can’t remember for sure, but I think I read somewhere an explicit denial from Cleave that she and John were ever intimate.
GEORGE: In fact, The Detroit Sound. JOHN: In fact, yes. GEORGE: In fact, yeah. Tamla-Motown artists are our favorites. The Miracles. JOHN: We like Marvin Gaye. GEORGE: The Impressions PAUL & GEORGE: Mary Wells. GEORGE: The Exciters. RINGO: Chuck Jackson. JOHN: To name but eighty.
4.46am
18 September 2016
Offline I agree vonbontee about Philip Norman, it’s more convincing, also in Cynthia’s book “John” she cites the night Robert and Sonny arrive at Kenwood and describes Robert as looking furious and Sonny is in tears. They dissappear into the living room for 30 mins Cynthia is waiting in the kitchen and then John refuses to say what it was about and then scarpers off upstairs.
Also if Maureen Cleave says not so, I would believe her! I know John admired her and was also shy paradoxically, so maybe he would have been a bit intimidated there.
It’s my favourite on RS too, John says he was trying to be all sophisticated with the song’s lyrics and subject matter and I think he achieved that. They are clever and ambiguous. The entire song lyrically and musically is beautiful, wistful, pared back and sophisticated.
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8.42am
14 June 2016
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The entire song lyrically and musically is beautiful, wistful, paired back and sophisticated.
A very good way to describe it. The song is all those things with also an element of humour, making it something really special. The song wouldn’t be what it is without all these components. John doesn’t get enough praise for my liking when it comes to melodies. This one is just divine – it makes me feel nostalgic.
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5.06am
30 December 2022
Offline George is my least favourite beatle, but my grandma showed me this song and explained why George was her favourite and the story of when she met him. So i can;t help but love this song, because i love my grandma
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7 November 2022
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George is my least favourite beatle, but my grandma showed me this song and explained why George was her favourite and the story of when she met him. So i can;t help but love this song, because i love my grandma
This is a Lennon song — but maybe your grandma associates the song with her meeting George? Where & when did she meet him?
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Offline Yes, a Lennon song, @Sea Belt, but also heavily associated with George because of his introduction of sitar to their, and many would say the Western world’s, musical palette on the track.
With @Neely’s Grandma being Carl Perkins daughter, I’d guess they probably met more than once as George and Carl became good friends, with George even performing at Carl’s funeral, Your True Love if I remember correctly.
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2.09pm
30 December 2022
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well now i just look stupid.
?? Why do you say that? George. Sitar. Makes sense.
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7.38pm
7 November 2022
Offline That’s awesome that Neely’s grandma was the daughter of Carl Perkins. Google is no help, I googled Carl Perkins daughter and I got Deborah Perkins or Debbie Perkins, but it said that Debbie Perkins married Charles Perkins, which doesn’t make sense. What are the odds that a woman already named Perkins would find a man to marry who’s also named Perkins? Oh well
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17 December 2012
Offline Not as strange as you might think if you consider they may have been related in some way, @Sea Belt.
Jerry Lee Lewis’ first major tour of the UK in 1958 collapsed after three dates when it was discovered that his third wife, who was accompanying him, Myra Gale Brown, was not only his first cousin once removed, but that when he married her aged 22, she was only 13 — but it wasn’t the family relationship which shocked, rather her age.
Marrying a cousin is legal in England, with around 3% of marriages being between first cousins; while in the US twenty states allow marriage between first cousins, with another six states allowing it in certain circumstances.
I’m not suggesting their familial relationship would necessarily be that of first cousins, just that it wouldn’t be too surprising to find someone marrying someone from another branch of the family who had the same surname.
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10.10pm
7 November 2022
Offline Ron Nasty said
Not as strange as you might think if you consider they may have been related in some way, @Sea Belt.Jerry Lee Lewis’ first major tour of the UK in 1958 collapsed after three dates when it was discovered that his third wife, who was accompanying him, Myra Gale Brown, was not only his first cousin once removed, but that when he married her aged 22, she was only 13 — but it wasn’t the family relationship which shocked, rather her age.
Marrying a cousin is legal in England, with around 3% of marriages being between first cousins; while in the US twenty states allow marriage between first cousins, with another six states allowing it in certain circumstances.
I’m not suggesting their familial relationship would necessarily be that of first cousins, just that it wouldn’t be too surprising to find someone marrying someone from another branch of the family who had the same surname.
That could well be. Interestingly, the girl in question, Myra Gale Brown, is still alive at age 78! I vaguely remember this but didn’t pay much attention at the time, but there was a movie made about Jerry, Great Balls of Fire! Starring Dennis Quaid as Jerry, and Winona Ryder as the girl — although Winona at the time in 1989 was 19 years old, so it’s kind of cheating. I don’t know if the film dealt honestly with the age factor. It’s sort of like the movie Lolita in 1962, the girl there is supposed to be 12 according to Nabokov’s novel, however, the actress Sue Lyon is 16 at the time of the movie and could easily pass for 18 or 19.
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10.20pm
30 December 2022
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That’s awesome that Neely’s grandma was the daughter of Carl Perkins. Google is no help, I googled Carl Perkins daughter and I got Deborah Perkins or Debbie Perkins, but it said that Debbie Perkins married Charles Perkins, which doesn’t make sense. What are the odds that a woman already named Perkins would find a man to marry who’s also named Perkins? Oh well
Yeah no that’s not accurate. But I’m also not gonna just but all of my family’s names online. Just know that that is not correct
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Offline Ron Nasty said
Not as strange as you might think if you consider they may have been related in some way, @Sea Belt.Jerry Lee Lewis’ first major tour of the UK in 1958 collapsed after three dates when it was discovered that his third wife, who was accompanying him, Myra Gale Brown, was not only his first cousin once removed, but that when he married her aged 22, she was only 13 — but it wasn’t the family relationship which shocked, rather her age.
Marrying a cousin is legal in England, with around 3% of marriages being between first cousins; while in the US twenty states allow marriage between first cousins, with another six states allowing it in certain circumstances.
As cousins-once-removed, there’s a generational difference – in this case, Jerry married his cousin’s daughter. This kind of marriage is more widely accepted: I think 43 US states allow it, with one other state allowing it in specific circumstances.
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