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7 November 2015
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Not comparing it to Shakespeare and I know most Bond are not meant to be thought provoking brain training but ‘Spectre’ goes way beyond. 

If this wasn’t covered by the Bond 007 brand and everything that brings maybe folk would be less forgiving. 

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7 November 2015
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I don’t expect Bond movies to be anything other than big and dumb and look-how-many-places-we-can-do-explosions-in. I didn’t mind Skyfall in that it tried to do something different with the character for once. I’ll watch Spectre to see how the new M is getting along though.

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On a totally unrelated note, I watched Red again last night.

Eat your heart out Bond, James shaken not stirred Bond.

I have been a Bond fan from the beginning of the movie run – but if they had half of the originality, humour or timing of that film they would be a whole lot more fun (imho of course).

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I’ve seen Red 2 and I’m getting Red to watch cos it makes sense to watch the first one!

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7 November 2015
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This Bond is in a half-way house responding to the call for more gadgets again and the old bon mots….. and it seems to be being castigated for it by some critics…….It’s still Craig so it still has some grit but there are some nice jokes too. M and Q have two of the best…..( though Q’s depends on you having seen Goldfinger).

Bond is a formula…….24 of them, 24 times…….MMM saw it all coming because basically they are all the same film. You know he won’t die……..you know he’ll get the girl……and save the day….. a few gadgets…. close shaves……nasty villain……strong henchman with a quirk…….a car chase…….

They’re better at entertaining than they are at suspense……Though Casino Royale stands out in that regard.

The film feels episodic, (they all do)……A linkage of sumptuously filmed locations where an events takes place…….Mexico……Austria……Italy…….Tangier

 MMM said: ‘If this wasn’t covered by the Bond 007 brand and everything that brings maybe folk would be less forgiving.’

But I think the opposite is true. If this was the first ever film to feature the James Bond character ……un-weighted by history, expectation previous incarnations and so on……I think it’s critics would be more forgiving.

 

Whatever……I liked how it’s up to date in respect to our modern day fears of a Snowdon revealed Orwellian society…….yet it still finds a place for a Cain Vs Abel theme something as old fashioned as a 60s red digital countdown.

……….Spectre is what it says on the tin…….it’s a James Bond film! …….And easily in the top ten of the series.

   

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Maybe that’s the problem then. I’ve grown out of James Bond.

Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace were both really good as there was grit, edge and dark side to Bond. I thought there was less of that in Skyfall and then with Spectre he just came across more as an out of date Neanderthal.

i agree that one of the biggest problems is Bond can’t die so you end up with super intelligent super evil baddies trying to bring about some fiendish plot to overtake or destroy the word yet lacking the brains to shoot 007 dead asap. Instead it’s a bit of torture or give him three minutes to escape. 

In one of the A-team novels they are unexpectedly cornered by Colonel Decker. The army burst in and they have no escape. Instead Hannibal Smith stays calm saying  that there is no panic as Decker will give them 3 minutes to give themselves up. Low and behold Decker does and three minutes later they come flying out of the warehouse and escape. It’s the same with every situation that Bond ever finds himself in. 

However there are far worse flaws with Spectre than Bond not dying. 

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MMM….can I call you ‘M’ for short?

In Skyfall………after Bond dies in the pre-credits……..to rise again…and walk on water, (ice) in the last confrontation, he’s chasing the game, being manipulated and always a step behind. Most un-Bond-like, all the modern gadgets and fire-power are in the hands of the villains……..Bond makes do with his old car, his father’s shot-gun and some ingenuity………In the end he kills the villain with the most basic of all weapons a knife. But the villain, Raoul Silva, an anagram of which is, ‘a rival soul’, achieves his goal. For the first time in any film…….Bond fails…….M is killed. …………Her death brought about by the actions of perhaps her adopted son. ‘Think on your sins’…….an anagram of ‘Your son isn’t in HK’

Might explain M’s comment, “Orphan’s make the best agents 007′, said with a far away look. And that might explain why after all his angst and efforts to take vengeance for her leaving him to rot in Hong Kong he was finally unable to kill her. 

Maybe this sub-plot was left on the cutting room floor….or isn’t fleshed out in order to intrigue us.

All I’m saying here is that for a Bond film, Skyfall has a literary and artistic depth, (which I’ve posted about before), twists and turns and a most un-Bond-like failure…… so I’m surprised, given your specific criticisms of Spectre….namely that it was so routine and predictable that you reserve your harshest criticism for Skyfall that was not……..  ‘Damn you 007’ if he does and ‘Damn you 007’ if he doesn’t!  

 

Anyway…….Bond’s not for you……Or these films aren’t …..ces la vie.

Did you know the Kincaid character was due to be Connery…….probably right to to decide against it in the end…….But what a moment that would have been! 

 

Because it’s Remembrance Sunday a Footnote:

Before you think I’m getting too carried away with the anagrams and such…….Cyphers and codes are at the heart of spying and in fact Fleming’s choice of Bond’s number originated from telegram 0075 ‘The Zimmerman telegram’ that brought the US into WWI. An unbreakable german code which the British broke and passed on to the Americans……

The only cross atlantic cable was controlled by the British, but the German Embassy was allowed by the UK and the  US to transmit coded messages. Telegram ‘0075’ was offering Mexico help in getting back Texas, Arizona and New Mexico if they’d attack and distract the US and keep them busy and thus neutral in Europe.

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I’ve seen Red 2 and I’m getting Red to watch cos it makes sense to watch the first one!

Nice. I enjoyed the 2nd one but if you are anything like me you will find the first one on another level.

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I saw Spectre in theaters today with my dad. I liked it. I picked up a poster on my way out of the theater. 

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9 November 2015
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We finally saw Jurassic World over the weekend. I know the plot is basically the same as the others – be awed, then chased and in some cases eaten by dinosaurs – but day-um I thought it was fantastic. The way the critters look so real never ceases to amaze me. It’s also fun to guess which characters will be eventually eaten – especially when it turns out to be a money grubbing lawyer.

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Was it a money grubbing lawyer who got eaten by the t-Rex when sitting on the toilet in the first film? I’ve blocked the second and third films out. 

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9 November 2015
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Yes.

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Was delighted when he got eaten. Same with the computer expert who shut the power down and got spat in the face by another little critter. 

I’d have been quite happy if everyone had been eaten. 

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To prevent the sequels from happening?

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Because they were annoying, especially the two bratty kids. Was  desperately hoping they would get eaten in the kitchen. 

They weren’t in any of the sequels so no excuse. 

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meanmistermustard said
Because they were annoying, especially the two bratty kids. Was  desperately hoping they would get eaten in the kitchen. 

They weren’t in any of the sequels so no excuse. 

He was annoying and she had no common sense.

When that move first came out, we saw in the theater. Everyone cheered when the lawyer was eaten. Had the kids been eaten, I would have been like…

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I would be hard pushed to think of one film where I wouldn’t want to slap the kids or see them get taken out to the woods and left in hungry bear territory. I know its wrong but they always come across as unbearable little irritants. blue-meanie Thankfully I haven’t met any in real life yet.

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Annadog40 said
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I assume you are referring to the gif I posted above. If that’s from Glee, it was purely coincidental. While I find Jane Lynch to be a very funny actor, I’ve never seen an episode of that show.

Jane played her roles quite nicely in the Christopher Guest films Best in Show and A Mighty Wind .

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