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John and George Relationship Post-Beatles
12 March 2014
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First of all, George denied ever having an affair with Maureen. She say’s so in her book. She suspected something was going on because Maureen use to hang out at Friar Park a lot so put two and two together and there you have it. Even if they were having an affair, in England in the 60’s, a lot of couples were swingers and a lot of swapping was going on.

I read in Pattie’s book (Wonderful Tonight), that they were going away somewhere – her, George, Ringo and Maureen – and before they set off George just told them right there, that they’d been sleeping together for a while. Obviously differing memories there.

 

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I can’t remember he admitted sleeping together, I thought he said something like ”I’m in love with your wife”

And she kept saying how they were just ”spiritually connected”.

That’s what I remember anyway

15 March 2014
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I can’t remember exactly, to be honest. I did think he’d said they’d slept together. I’ll try and hunt the info out, if I can find the book.

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It’s interesting and very pleasing to hear George fervently defending his relationship with Paul on ‘Aspel & Co’ on the 5th March 1988 a few days after the News of the World had published an article reporting a supposed blazing argument (falsely it should be added as George had already left when Paul arrived and neither knew the other was going) between the two at the San Remo Music Festival.

Keith Badman’s book ‘The Beatles Diary Volume 2: After The Break-Up 1970-2001’ details the events

Friday February 26

George attends the San Remo Music Festival, where he receives the award of Video Of The Year for ‘When We Was Fab’, which is naturally screened during the transmission on the Italian TV station RAI UNO. (At the show, George also gives a five-minute interview for the programme Il Caso Rai, which is aired on RAI UNO on March 8.) Following his 11-minute appearance at the festival, George returns to England later this evening.

Saturday February 27

With George returning home, Paul arrives in Italy with his new band, who are unveiled when they headline the San Remo Music Festival. The group of musicians now features Hamish Stuart on guitar and bass, Chris Whitten on drums, Gary Barnacle on saxophone, Andrew Chater on violin and Linda McCartney on keyboards. In front of a large All The Best album banner, the group performs lip-synched versions of ‘Once Upon A Long Ago’ and ‘Listen To What The Man Said’ for the RAI UNO show. In between the two songs, Paul is interviewed by the host and announces that he has been making some new records with Elvis Costello. Reports on the San Remo Festival, and naturally the appearance of Paul and George, are featured on the news programmes TG1, TG2 and ORE 20:00, this evening. (During Paul’s 14-minute appearance, the first track mimed to is the standard single release, while the latter is the version specially recorded for Paul’s appearance onWogan, transmitted on BBC1 on November 20, 1987.) Aside from the festival, Paul gives a three-minute interview for the programme Italia 1, which is transmitted on Monday February 29. Interestingly enough, neither Paul nor George knew of each other’s appearance at the festival. Even so, the UK tabloid newspaper the News Of The World still runs a story which claims that they had a blazing row at the festival, an event George dismisses during his Aspel And Company appearance with Ringo on March 3 (see entry).

Tuesday March 1

Now back in England, George and Olivia are among the guests present at the birthday party of Renata John at Brown’s in Covent Garden, London.

Thursday March 3

With both George and Ringo appearing together on a television chat show, this is a historic day in the history of The Beatles. Their appearance on Aspel & Company, recorded at the London Television Studios on the South Bank, is the first major television interview ever given by any two former Beatles since the group disbanded. It is a wonderfully funny show, programme eight of series five, transmitted for the first, and only, time on Saturday March 5 across the ITV Network. George appears first to promote his latest release ‘When We Was Fab’, with Ringo joining him later to talk about subjects both amusing and Beatles related. Their appearances total a lengthy 35-minutes. Joining the two former Beatles on the show is the Coronation Street actress Thelma Barlow.

This unique appearance by George and Ringo leads to scores of Beatles’ fans rummaging through old Beatles’ encyclopaedias and reference books trying to find out the last time that any two of the ex-Beatles appeared together on a major programme since the split. The answer was December 20, 1974, when John joined George in his hotel room during a radio interview following George’s final concert on his American 1974 tour, although the two are not actually interviewed at the same time.

And the interview with George and Ringo on ‘Aspel & Co’ – well worth watching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..fpwRCZl3nY

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Thanks for the interview @meanmistermustard 

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I just devoted about an hour of my valuable time to reading over this entire thread, and very interesting it was too, though I haven’t anything to add. Admittedly it makes me just a wee bit sour on George a-hard-days-night-paul-4ahdn_paul_02 Bad Georgie! a-hard-days-night-john-7 

But it’s nothing new; as a Fiendish Thingy, I try to accept the unsavoury as well as the wonderful about George. And keep in mind his ‘The pieces to omit are mine’ line from Cloud 9. ahdn_george_06 And he’s still the finest slide guitar player I know. a-hard-days-night-george-3 

I agree with everyone who said George wins the award for most complex Beatle, and they’re all very complex humans. It’s part of why I find him so fascinating. ahdn_george_01

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Paul and George’s relationship better before George died?

22 January 2016
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Paul and George’s relationship better before George died?

I believe so. Paul was with George very soon before he died, but they had been having dinner and playing ukuleles together for a while before that. In fact I don’t think Anthology would have happened at all without a rapport between them.

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Paul and George settled their differences before George passed. I always liken their relationship to brothers who didn’t always get on on a personal level but when something major happened they were there for each other.

Their differences were more often than not put aside during the ‘Anthology’ period but there were moments when it got a bit tetchy between the two.

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Wow! A lot of cynical views that my heart-mind says NO to! Haha…
HOW they miss the essence! SO many (all/most of what I have read so far, anyway!) miss the essence…!
Was I there? Not quite. But my intuition is  – however inherently subjective too, is usually right, spot-on about people!
Before I continue – it is good to see and know the truth of everything -including the dark sides – but to see how great their relationships were, in spite of everything, with what they went through…
To me, they (the Fabs) were/are really good guys  -not saints, they all had their downsides (tho Ringo’s is just being nice and adapting to whatever’s going down, which is not really that bad is it!?); but to remind you all of their characters and charm, both Brian Epstein and George Martin were attracted to THEM as people, much more than their music. I know that doesn’t mean John + George were always cool, ht essentially they were -so when John died, it was not a problem (not for George)
This is from an old Viedo tape:

Bear-in-mind, George was the most honest of them, although they all have an honesty about them, they did not seem to tell lies, about each other or anything else! But George’s natrualness and honesty is such a permanent trait of him!
I love them all – but get bored when just focus on one… But it is the adorable (-for me) combination of the psyches together of the 4 of them, esp J, P + G – Indeed, Paul talks about the four corners of the square, all good in their own right, but not-at-all-the-same on their own! The 60s needed some group of special humans to embody this role -to be THE Band…!
I think they -J + G-were kind of OK with each other, pre-fame, one hears about bust-ups, or anything; tho I think the age-factor was something.
I agree that it was complicated…
But for me -tho they definitely had their differences, they, G & J – had a special-similarity – interior rebels, explorers and finding truth more inside than outside… and they were very close when they were taking LSD with Derek Tayor and his wife… But all the Beatles were so close – one just has to see this from 1965-1967,

=just the beginning of the 4 of them, so close, just 2 days after what’s his name ‘blew his mind out in a car’.. 
Until about Brian Epstein died… THAT seems to be the beginning of ruptures, tho they all still got on pretty well for the remainder of 1967…
But I LOVE this closeness that is so palpable, and how John lost his aggressiveness 66-67… and seemed really genuinely ‘happy’ so his old mates said from Liverpool… But that ‘aggressive sarcasm’ came back with a vengeance in ’68, after the India experience, and John descended into taking hard-drugs other than LSD and met Yoko…It was the only time really that he was nasty (or just angry) to George in early ’69, but he was similar to Paul throughout 1968-1980 on-and-off of course,  from that period; but then it was mopped up and John kinda regarded George and George usually thought good of John.
John’s fiery element was a part of him and the drugs and meditation and spirituality may have stifled that side of John?

They -J & G -obviously got on well around Imagine . You can see John’s confessional glee as he is telling G about ‘How do you Sleep’. George just watches! I wonder what he thought!?
ALas – cannot find the clip anymore!!

Yoko also got on with George -and also said during Scorcese’s Living in the Material World how ‘he and George had something special going-on’

I think they both had regard for each other’s interiority and honest rebelliousness
, and their presences did not, usually,  -also a very complicated, but generally good relationship; George & John were more alike than John and Paul. 

I think their good relations with each other is one of the keys to their success and perennial likability!

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Even if they had elements of tension at the time of John’s death they had respect for each other because the memories of the early days would’ve been so strong and unforgettable. Time was frozen in 1980 and it’s just that things didn’t get a chance to properly develop from there.

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Issue is that George and John never got to patch things up before John died.

https://youtu.be/52nwiTs7bk8

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You can tell in that clip that George has mixed feelings. He’s angry at John but he loves him. He’s also angry that he got killed.

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George was very matter of fact and I believe his mindset was a healthy way to live going forward as a functional human being. He had feelings but they weren’t sugar coated. Like how he said life after John’s death didn’t change much, as he did his own thing, and he just knew he couldn’t call him on the phone anymore. Cold but true. His description of John is excellent – genius traits but still a person like all of us. You really feel George was a guy from Liverpool who happened to join the biggest band of all time and sought to preserve his solitude through that, while being a strong musical talent in his own right who deserved more attention. Very interesting mix. 

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