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It'd be interesting to know all of your thoughts on punk music, particularly 70's punk.

A lot of the early punk bands such as the Clash and the Sex Pistols rejected the rock canon, including bands like the Beatles and Pink Floyd etc. Glen Matlock was supposedly kicked out of the Pistols because he liked the Beatles, whilst the Clash sang about 'Phony Beatlemania'.

I think looking back at the context of the time it's easy to understand why they would rebel against the 'rock establishment' in this way. They'd probably admit themselves now that the Beatles paved the way for punk, whilst John Lennon himself seemed to have an affection for punk. 

I like quite a lot of punk stuff from the Pistols, the Clash, the Buzzcocks and the Ramones but i'd say I prefer post-punk/new wave more (Joy Division, Talking Heads and Echo and the Bunnymen were all awesome).

What are your thoughts?

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I used to like a fair amount of punk in my late teens and twenties (even up to my thirties somewhat!) but I never had a grudge against the dinosaur rockers like so many of the punks themselves did. (Or claimed to, anyways.) As far as I was concerned, the best punk albums satisfied the same craving for loud guitars as did my favourite heavy metal albums, just in a slightly cruder (or more streamlined) way. But I liked it best when the bands could add something unique, like the Buzzcocks with their pop-song genius, or the Minutemen with their funk/jazz/Beefheart touches.

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I'll split this up due to their being multiple subgenres of punk rock:

Garage Rock:

This music is enjoyable and really gets you into an energetic mood.

Bands:

The Stooges

MC5

New York Dolls

Example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDNzQ3CXspU

Punk Rock:

I enjoy this music as well, although I don't listen to it quite often.

Bands:

Ramones

The Sex Pistols

The Clash

Buzzcocks

Example:

Pop Punk:

I used to listen to this stuff but it's not always good, sometimes it is but other times it isn't.

Bands:

Green Day

Blink 182

Weezer

Fall Out Boy

Example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUTGr5t3MoY

Grunge:

Some of it is good but some of it isn't, depends on the band.

Bands:

Nirvana

Alice In Chains

Pearl Jam

Soungarden

Example:

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I love punk music. I know Joe Strummer was a fan of the Beatles even though they mention "phony Beatlemania" in London Calling.

There's too many punk bands to mention but this kind of started as a 70's era punk thread so I will list a few of my favourites from that era:

The Clash (First two albums as they started to try different genres after that)

The Ramones

The Buzzcocks

The Misfits

The Undertones

Sex Pistols

The Saints

What is it with the 70's punk bands starting with "The"?

Also I always thought of Weezer as power pop. 

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I like Sex Pistols, The Clash, and The Ramones. I also enjoy Green Day, but they're out of a different era. 

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I love Green Day. They are one of my favourite bands. As much as they are a punk band I also consider them just a rock band because they use a lot of melodies that aren't very punk rock and they are heavily influenced by bands like The Who and The Beatles.

I should also point out that in my last post I meant the first two Clash albums are more punk and after they are less punk.

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I'm more a fan of post-punk.

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Elementary Penguin said
I love Green Day. They are one of my favourite bands. As much as they are a punk band I also consider them just a rock band because they use a lot of melodies that aren't very punk rock and they are heavily influenced by bands like The Who and The Beatles.

1039, Kerplunk, Dookie, Insomniac, Nimrod, and Shenanigans are definitely pop punk albums to me. After that, they softened up quite a bit, although i would still consider Warning onwards pop punk as well. Also, just because you're influenced by someone doesn't mean that you have to be the same genre as them. For example, George Michael was heavily influenced by Queen but plays music in a completely different genre.

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Dark Overlord said

Elementary Penguin said
I love Green Day. They are one of my favourite bands. As much as they are a punk band I also consider them just a rock band because they use a lot of melodies that aren't very punk rock and they are heavily influenced by bands like The Who and The Beatles.

1039, Kerplunk, Dookie, Insomniac, Nimrod, and Shenanigans are definitely pop punk albums to me. After that, they softened up quite a bit, although i would still consider Warning onwards pop punk as well. Also, just because you're influenced by someone doesn't mean that you have to be the same genre as them. For example, George Michael was heavily influenced by Queen but plays music in a completely different genre.  

I agree that those albums are pop punk. Warning has more of a folk/punk sound in my opinion. I know that but I hear a lot of melodies in some songs that are similar to The Beatles and The Who. 

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Do you guys think that the Foo Fighters are pop punk.

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Do you guys think that the Foo Fighters are pop punk.  

No. That era of music is over. They are now just plain Rock in my opinion.

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Just because a genre of music is over doesn't mean that someone can't fit into that genre. For example, I'd consider Chuck Berry to be rockabilly despite that genre being dead.

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I just call Foo Fighters a rock band which I know is vague but they do touch on different styles of rock like punk, pop/rock, and even some metal so I just simply say they are a rock band.

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That reminds me about Queen and The Beatles because they both touch multiple genres as well.

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That's why I love those bands. I tend to like bands that step outside of their genre, even if it fails at least they tried something new.

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I've just found this fascinating video on YouTube where different musicians including David Bowie, Stevie Wonder, Cliff Richard, and... Paul McCartney ! 🙂  say their opinion on Punk. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....GKiMvnpqW4

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I used to be really into the Punkles, which was a Beatles tribute band that re-interpreted Beatles songs in a punk rock style. Some of their music is pretty terrible. But when it's good, it's good. I mean, it's a novelty band, so keep your expectations realistic. 

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Similar to what I said in the 'turn it up or down' thread, I have just begun to fully adventure into punk/post punk/new wave music. One group I have always been particularly fond of is The Jam, but another artist I recently also discovered is Jimmy Edwards, whose song 'Toys' I posted in that same thread. He went on to the be the frontman of the band Time U.K., in which The Jam's bassist Bruce Foxton was also in. Here is one of Time U.K.'s best known songs called 'The Cabaret':

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Flyingbrians said
[...It'd be interesting to know all of your thoughts on punk music, particularly 70's punk.
A lot of the early punk bands such as the Clash and the Sex Pistols rejected the rock canon, including bands like the Beatles and Pink Floyd etc. Glen Matlock was supposedly kicked out of the Pistols because he liked the Beatles, whilst the Clash sang about 'Phony Beatlemania'
[...I like quite a lot of punk stuff from the Pistols, the Clash, the Buzzcocks and the Ramones but i'd say I prefer post-punk/new wave more (Joy Division, Talking Heads and Echo and the Bunnymen were all awesome)...]

What are your thoughts?  

Agreed about post punk - I prefer that too, with the one exception of The Stooges, Raw Power produced by Iggy and David Bowie always get mentioned but fun house for me is incredible.

The phoney Beatlemania in London Calling, I think is a reference to the phoney beatlemania that the media tried to produce with other bands in the mid seventies such as the Bay City Rollers, just before the rise of the British punk scene. There is a quote by Mick Jones about this here:

http://www.bombedoutpunk.com/history/the-clash-on-their-london-calling-single-and-its-lyrics/

PS - The wonderful song/video by Squeeze with Glen Matlock Up the Junction  was filmed in Lennon's old home at Tittenhurst, if you want to see Lennon's kitchen.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/may/05/how-we-made-up-the-junction-squeeze

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The Sex Pistols are the best punk band in my opinion, with Holidays In The Sun being the ultimate punk song. Johnny Rotten's vocal performance on that is out of this world. But in general, I prefer post punk like Joy Division and The Smiths. Grunge was alright when it came along, with albums like Nirvana's Nevermind and Smashing Pumpkin's Gish. 

I think a lot of people forget how The Beatles basically invented punk. Listen to Taxman , not only does it have that palm muted chord sound and the angriest solo of the sixties, but its also anti authority and delivered in a sarcastic, sneering tone courtesy of George. Calling out Wilson and Heath (British Prime Ministers) was gutsy, even by the standards of 70s punk, and arguably a riskier move than the Pistols swearing on live TV.

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