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Should McCartney stop?
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1 December 2012
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Alot of people think McCartneys voice is gone and that he should wrap it up. I think his voice sounds good on his latest record "Kisses On The Bottom" , but I agree that he doesnt sound as good as he used to when he sings Beatles or early of his own stuff live. (Obviously) 

What do you think? Should he stop? 

2 December 2012
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I haven't bought a studio Macca album since 'Flaming Pie'.  I believe in the Law Of Diminishing Returns and I'd rather skip some more of his recent works, even though I know that much of it has been met with well-deserved praise.  I'd be very curious to hear a 'best-of' which covered 'Flowers In The Dirt' forward though.

 

I like the comfort in my life knowing that Paul still makes albums, and I'd rather see him continuing like Frank Sinatra or Tony Bennett and just make the music he wants to make until he dies (I know that Bennett isn't dead, but at 86 he's a good example of someone who just keeps on doing what he pleases for the joy of it).

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2 December 2012
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I deleted that post because i felt it was too blunt but thats life so apologies for lack of order.

 

I have tried to track down a second hand or very cheap download of CaCitBY but havent found one, there is no chance im paying £7 for it, as i have only heard good reviews but if you buy two truly dreadful albums then you arent going to be jumping up and down on the next release and run out to the shops.

I tried to listen to DR a few years ago and still hated it with every inch of my being, some of it is just cringing, same goes for Memory Almost Full. Going further back in time i listened to all of Off The Ground a few months ago and thats a great album.

 

Going back to the topic in hand i would have no issues with Paul releasing a new album in 2013 despite the above as i know a lot of folks will look forward to it and its not going to do Pauls legacy any damage, well shouldnt do. No doubt some will compare it to Band On The Run or Pepper and write stupid comments lamenting how he's done nothing since 1973 but who cares about them. According to reports he's working with some of the best producers out there at the moment and you never know what the end result will be. Would never write Paul off as being unable to make another great album, it does sound like he hit top form with Chaos and Creation.

I forgot, someone here, possibly Strawberry, posted a download of a mash up of Fine Line and Lady Madonna which was pretty cool and Fine Line does sound interesting. I really do need to track down a copy of that album. And if it is as good as people say i'll be on here asap agreeing.

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4 December 2012
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Paul should retire when he feels like he should, but he should do a few more American tours before he decides to do that, because I'm not done going to his concerts. I think he still has at least a good ten to fifteen years before he is going to have to stop. He sounds pretty good on Kisses On The Bottom, and that Christmas song he just did was also pretty good.
If you think he's just some old guy who has lost his voice, then don't go to his concerts. Admittedly, I was a little dissapointed when I saw him back in 2009, but that had nothing to do with his voice. He just didn't look right to me. I think it was his nose, he looks better in pictures. I came around, though, and he's pretty cute anyways.

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4 December 2012
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OK so obviously Paul is free to do as he pleases - and if we want to use his ability to still fill up huge venues for his shows as justification - then we'd have to extend that to lesser artists as well.

I'm a Beatles fan from the 60's all through to today. I first saw Paul live in 1990 and he was great. Top of his form. I saw him again in 2006 and the difference was dramatic. For the worse. His voice was failing him in terms of tone and range and it hasn't gotten any better.

You can hear it when he talks and certainly when he sings - in all fairness he is almost 72 and that's no spring chicken so his stamina and playing ability remain amazing. But the voice is going and has been going. His David Frost interview a couple of weeks ago made it obvious.

All those years of singing so hard, smoking pot etc have taken their toil. The difference between Paul and Tony Bennett is that Tony didn't spend 50 years screaming those great rockers like Paul has. Gentle crooning doesn't trash your vocal chords like hard balls out rock singing does.

It's not just Paul. Springstein, Billy Joel, Dylan, Robert Plant, Elton John, Jagger, the list goes on and on. These guys have taken their vocal chords past the point of no return.

In my opinion they have earned the right to exit the stage with grace and they ought to. And I love Paul - don't get me wrong. I know this post will drop me off  a lot of Christmas lists. I just don't want him to conclude his career with reviewers saying "why does he keep on going when his voice is so clearly gone" If not this year, it will be next year.

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paulsbass said

Ben Ramon said

I can understand the sentiment; on first listen I was a bit underwhelmed and felt that the impeccable sense of melody, which can usually be relied on even in the case of Paul's direst offers, had been sacrificed in favour of atmospheric production. But then I tried it a few more times and slowly a lot magic came out of the woodwork. There's still a tune or two that leaves me absolutely cold, but the highlights show up Nigel Godrich's take on some of his most introspective songs ever and bring something totally new to the table.

That's excactly what happened to me. At first I even thought it wasn't even as good as Driving Rain. But after a week I knew it was a masterpiece.

As you said, the songs are so personal and introperspective, and they really touch me on many levels, "How kind of you" being my favourite. "Jenny Wren", just beautiful", "At the mercy" - fantastic, "Riding to vanity fair" - excellent.

Of course this is no rock album, "Promise to you girl" and "Fine line" being the only faster songs. But the atmosphere of the songs is just fantastic.

And it's the small things in the arrangements that make the songs so special. Even songs with VERY common chord progressions like "Follow me" have some interesting middle part in a very beatlistic style.

Sorry you were disappointed, Zig. Maybe you just have to give it more time to grow on you.

I certainly will give it more time, gentlemen. Ben Ramon put it best, as I was more "underwhelmed" than disappointed. I did not care for Memory Almost Full when I first played it, but now I really enjoy it. If this was any other artist, I'd have already brought it into the used music store and traded it. But a Beatle, in my book, deserves many more chances! I will say that the cover art is awesome - love brother Michael's photo of "Our Kid Through Mum's Net Curtains".

Thanks to both of you for the feedback.mal-evans

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paulsbass said

robert said

In my opinion they have earned the right to exit the stage with grace and they ought to. And I love Paul - don't get me wrong. I know this post will drop me off  a lot of Christmas lists. I just don't want him to conclude his career with reviewers saying "why does he keep on going when his voice is so clearly gone" If not this year, it will be next year.

Agreed to everything you said. Saw him in 2002 - EXCELLENT performance! Saw some youtube clips from 2006 on - voice gone.

And I seriously don't understand why he still tries to sing "Maybe I'm amazed" which was impossible for him to do as soon as the 70s were over.

 

But I guess he just NEEDS the thrill of rocking a stadium with tens of thousands of people, and he can't just quit it, seeing the popular demand is still huge. People like him, being in the spotlight all their live can't just quit.

The only thing to REALLY stop him would be if he would do some REALLY serious damage to his vocal chords without being able to sing at all.

Listening to him it can't take much more time until that happens...

 

If he could stick to smaller venues with a more quiet repertoire it would suit him much better.

I wish him all the best and that he manages to find a way that satisfies his own needs of performing (being a performer myself I know about the kick you get - it's like a drug) without ruining his health and credibility.a-hard-days-night-paul-7

My point exactly. The question is why does he need the thrill of people screaming at him and adoring him. I will never understand adulation. He lives for attention which is one of the main reasons I love Harrison. He was never into the attention part of his fame but stayed humble throughout his career.

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SatanHimself said
I haven't bought a studio Macca album since '
Flaming Pie'.  I believe in the Law Of Diminishing Returns and I'd rather skip some more of his recent works, even though I know that much of it has been met with well-deserved praise.  I'd be very curious to hear a 'best-of' which covered 'Flowers In The Dirt' forward though.

 

I like the comfort in my life knowing that Paul still makes albums, and I'd rather see him continuing like Frank Sinatra or Tony Bennett and just make the music he wants to make until he dies (I know that Bennett isn't dead, but at 86 he's a good example of someone who just keeps on doing what he pleases for the joy of it).

Then you're missing out if you like McCartney records and good songwriting. He has done some of his best solo work since Flaming Pie. "Law of Diminishing Returns" is bullshit for creators. If they have inspiration and talent, it doesn't matter how long they keep going if they continue to make a good product. Chaos And Creation In The Backyard and Electric Arguments are two of Paul's best records. I think you're avoiding good music.

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