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20 January 2024
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Exactly.  And furthermore, “get back to where you once belonged” isn’t mere disapproval, it could be construed as calling for detransition.  I am (would be) surprised he hasn’t gotten flack, given the high degree of irrational hypersensitivity about this issue rampant throughout the entire West.

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P.S.:  Or conversely, another interpretation could be the reverse: when Loretta “thought she was a woman” she was wrong even though she was born a woman, because she hadn’t (yet) discovered she was really a he — a transman — and so the potentially offensive coda “get back to where you once belonged” would actually be positively encouraging/affirming what should be her new identity as the true identity.

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22 January 2024
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Saying she “thought” she was a woman but was a man, could be read as denying her her “truth”, or whatever the expression would be.

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22 January 2024
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Mr. Moonlight said
Saying she “thought” she was a woman but was a man, could be read as denying her her “truth”, or whatever the expression would be.

  

That begs the question of which of the two is the “truth” here.

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24 January 2024
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I guess it’s worth noting that Paul addresses and refers to Loretta as “she” and “her” throughout, despite categorizing her as “another man” at one point

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24 January 2024
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Von Bontee said
I guess it’s worth noting that Paul addresses and refers to Loretta as “she” and “her” throughout, despite categorizing her as “another man” at one point

  

Excellent point!

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25 January 2024
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Two things spring to mind with this topic.

1) How much the understanding and acceptance of trans people has grown since the 60s. There are countless references in songs, film and TV even as late as the 2000s where someone being trans is literally the punch line, so Paul was maybe just trying to be comical or edgy. (Like Lou Reed in Walk On The Wild Side)

2) The Beatles love a play on words, and to subvert a sentence for comic effect. E.g. in Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da when Desmond and Molly swap places in the last verse (“Desmond stays at home and does his pretty face”) – the intention is to sound nonsensical. Now I’m all for a universe where Desmond and Molly are a transgender couple who are now living happily together as the people they were born to be! But I doubt that’s what Macca was going for.

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I think it's great you're going through a phase,

and I'm awfully glad it'll all be over in a couple

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26 January 2024
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I think in Joe’s description it’s implied that Paul didn’t intend to switch the “does pretty face” line and did it by accident, then decided to keep it in; however, I’m not sure I trust memories of tiny things like that.  I think what Paul intended was a light-hearted inversion of what one would expect — why not?  By the way, Desmond staying at home to do his pretty face can be done (or imagined) while remaining firmly heterosexual yet playful and secure in his manhood, or while entertaining bisexual fantasies, without the need to be propelled inexorably all the way from A to Z to transgender.

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14 February 2024
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I think in Joe’s description it’s implied that Paul didn’t intend to switch the “does pretty face” line and did it by accident, then decided to keep it in; however, I’m not sure I trust memories of tiny things like that.  I think what Paul intended was a light-hearted inversion of what one would expect — why not? 

  

LOL, that’s some classical “fan fiction” right there!

So you think you know Paul’s intentions better than him??

It’s a very easy mistake to make, he just mixed up the order of the characters.

It’s just another example of the Beatles and especially Paul to leave “happy accidents” on the records. Just like him laughing on “Maxwell”, the surprise track of “Her Majesty “and many other occasions where they heard weird stuff happening and instead of erasing it they wanted MORE of it!

This started with some overinterpretation of the “Get back” lyrics – sometimes it’s better just to leave things alone.

The Beatles always laughed about people who read too much into their lyrics…

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I revisited the song just now and focused in on the two parts (separated in the song by another chorus):

1) happy ever after in the marketplace, Desmond lets the children lend a hand, Molly stays at home and does her pretty face and in the evening she’s still singing with the band

2) happy ever after in the marketplace, Molly lets the children lend a hand, Desmond stays at home and does his pretty face and in the evening she’s a singer with the band.

On second thought, it seems even odder that Paul would “forget”, since the structure of #2 is clearly switching out the two characters in a mirror image, not just with regard to the “pretty face” component.  That would be an odd thing to “forget”.

Secondly, listening intently over and over (4 times) with my super serious headphones that completely cover my ears, it’s pretty clear that during #1, Paul sings (caps added for emphasis):

1) happy ever after in the marketplace, Desmond lets the children lend a hand, Molly stays at home and does HIS pretty face and in the evening she’s still singing with the band.

Now THAT would constitute a bonafide “mistake” — one, however, that was evidently left in.  I suspect that Paul, exhausted from re-recording and re-cobbling the song with so many takes on so many days, made that mistake toward the end when everything else was perfect, and just left it in hoping nobody would notice.  As it turns out, he was mostly right, and only one person would notice — some nobody on the Internet 54 years later typing in some thread on Beatles Bible…john-lennon-salute_gif

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15 February 2024
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Could the accent be misleading you?

I hear it as: “Molly stays at home and does her pretty face”

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15 February 2024
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I don’t know — all my life I thought he was saying “her” but now after listening intently I have to say I hear more “his” than “her”

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15 February 2024
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There are tons of instances of a Beatle reading lyrics or singing words wrongly and then being kept in, they did it often. The idea that Paul didn’t on this one specific track, despite what he said years ago being that it was a mistake in the studio, is very much people now wanting to apply a certain and specific reasoning to a song that was never intended.

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16 February 2024
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My understanding is that it was a mistake made earlier in the process but intentionally included in the final take.

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16 February 2024
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Like I said, this isn’t a simple mistake, like getting one word wrong.

1) happy ever after in the marketplace, Desmond lets the children lend a hand, Molly stays at home and does her pretty face and in the evening she’s still singing with the band

2) happy ever after in the marketplace, Molly lets the children lend a hand, Desmond stays at home and does his pretty face and in the evening she’s a singer with the band.

Assuming it was a mistake as Paul and y’all say, this means that as Paul was singing #2, his first mistake was to say “Molly” at that place where “Desmond” had been previously — all else being the same.  This then also means that as he was singing the phrase “Molly lets the children lend a hand”, he realized in mid-stream he had made this mistake, and made sure to say “Desmond” rather than “Molly” for the next phrase “stays at home etc.” — also making sure to say “his” pretty face and not “her”.  It seems like a complex mistake to make — a bundle of 3 mistakes (and their split-second saves) rolled into one in mid-stream while singing & playing.  Given Paul’s memory “challenges” about the old days, I’m not so sure we should treat it as gospel.

P.S.:  This may be blasphemy, but I think Paul should have switched the phrase “and in the evening she’s still singing with the band” and put that at the end for #2, where it would make more sense 

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16 February 2024
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I copied posts 27-35 above over to the Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da thread. Let’s get this conversation back to where it once belonged.

Here’s the link to post 27 over in the other thread. https://www.beatlesbible.com/f…..2/#p386958

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16 February 2024
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Perfect opportunity for your pun, @Ahhh Girl !

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WHY THE F– was this recording of GET BACK not released in 2021??

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Something about that suggests Eric Burdon’s Animals to me.

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