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Beatles and Post Beatles
17 January 2013
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Elmore James
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What are your favourites, in terms of quality/impact/or whatever? Did they change in ranking in Beatles & Post-Beatles iterations?

Beatles: John Lennon (beyond my favourite musician/lyricist of all time), Paul McCartney (extreme musical ability and singing quality, etc., etc.), George Harrison (a late bloomer, but wholly shit what a great flower), and Ringo Starr (fabulous person, wonderful drummer, essential, yet still 4th in a band of four Gods).

 

Post Beatles: John Lennon (see above, but the poignancy of his compositions…, martyrdom), George Harrison (almost tied for first…undoubtedly the best of the beginning of the post-Beatle era), Paul McCartney (Wings, other stuff…outstanding but still a threshold below Lennon and Harrison), and Ringo (a very strong fourth place…Christ all mighty, the fourth man of the team still had a couple of number one hits, and many others besides).

 

What do you think?

17 January 2013
2.25am
Funny Paper
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As you know, Elmore, your question has been one of the most oft-discussed topics in pop music history, and we'll never get away from the fact that Beatles fans disagree about their rankings of the four subspecies of Beatlus paulensis, johanneps, georgianicus and ringoides.

My view is that Paul was the best but that John was a close second and a few times surpassed Paul; while George had a few flashes of genius but not enough to put him in the Lennon/McCartney league.  Ringo, meanwhile, doesn't need anyone's praise -- he can just relax and chill in his garden under the sea: his contributions, though seemingly minor and few and far between, were nevertheless delightful in their own right.

 

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17 January 2013
2.49am
Gerell
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This is the million dollar question! Honestly I treat the Beatles equally during their times as a band, although I only follow Paul's post-Beatles career. The only post-Beatles track I have other than Paul's is George's What is Life.

"And in the End the Love you take is equal to the Love you make"
"When I was a robber *Piano Chord* in Boston Place"
"Let's hope this turns out pretty darn good huh"
"Pete may be the best, but Ringo is the star"
Paul:"Don't be nervous John"
John:"I 'm not"
17 January 2013
2.54am
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Gerell said
This is the million dollar question! Honestly I treat the Beatles equally during their times as a band, although I only follow Paul's post-Beatles career. The only post-Beatles track I have other than Paul's is George's What is Life.

Man you should really listen to all of "All Things Must Pass" it really is great ahdn_george_08

 

Also, this topic (because it is common as Funny Paper said) always makes me wonder about the hypothetical "13th album"…  I can only imagine what great things they could have done as The Beatles to songs that are incredibly good on their own.  I love post-Beatles, but I always view them as a "sum of the parts is not greater than the whole" kind of deal.  

17 January 2013
3.22am
Gerell
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I am looking forward to hear of the Beatles' post career, it might take a lot of time though to "collect" them all.

"And in the End the Love you take is equal to the Love you make"
"When I was a robber *Piano Chord* in Boston Place"
"Let's hope this turns out pretty darn good huh"
"Pete may be the best, but Ringo is the star"
Paul:"Don't be nervous John"
John:"I 'm not"
17 January 2013
9.08am
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linkjws said Also, this topic (because it is common as Funny Paper said) always makes me wonder about the hypothetical "13th album"…  I can only imagine what great things they could have done as The Beatles to songs that are incredibly good on their own.  I love post-Beatles, but I always view them as a "sum of the parts is not greater than the whole" kind of deal.  

 

That "13th album" (as long as we're fantasizing here) would have been better if they had waited a few years to pursue their own lives and careers.  Imagine if they had reunited in, say, 1990, after 20 years to think about things and grow on their own.  That would have been better than an album immediately after 1970, as I think they were beginning to be burned out and needed a long rest anyway.

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17 January 2013
3.49pm
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It´s nice to dream about a '13th album' but I don´t honestly think there ever would have been one. It took George a lot of persuation and certain financial worries to get him to do Anthology so I can´t see him getting together with the others a few years earlier, unfortunately. I suppose it doesn´t really matter though, in the end.

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17 January 2013
3.53pm
parlance
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fabfouremily said
It took George a lot of persuation and certain financial worries to get him to do Anthology

Oh, really? Hadn't heard that. Is that in one of his bios?

parlance

 

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17 January 2013
4.56pm
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parlance said

fabfouremily said
It took George a lot of persuation and certain financial worries to get him to do Anthology

Oh, really? Hadn't heard that. Is that in one of his bios?

parlance

 

 

It's been stated in multiple books (including You Never Give Me Your Money) but you only have to actually watch the Anthology to realize it. George looks absolutely miserable, especially when it's him, Paul, and Ringo all in the same room/space sitting around talking. Apparently, he only agreed to do it because he desperately needed the money after Handmade went tits-up and he was screwed by his manager, or he would've literally lost everything (house, money, everything).

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17 January 2013
5.00pm
Ron Nasty
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parlance said

fabfouremily said
It took George a lot of persuation and certain financial worries to get him to do Anthology

Oh, really? Hadn't heard that. Is that in one of his bios?

parlance

 

George was always reluctant about Beatles projects. I think it was him (though ready to be corrected), who asked in an interview after John's death what it would take to get The Beatles back together, replied dryly, "Three bullets". In the mid-90s his partnership with Denis O'Brien in Handmade Films had fallen apart, seeing Handmade sold in 1994, and Harrison launching a £16 million lawsuit against O'Brien in 1995 for lost monies. This was widely reported at the time as one of George's reasons for agreeing to the Anthology project.

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17 January 2013
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parlance
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Thanks for the clarification, both of you. My Beatle fannishness was dormant during the 90s/00s so I have some catching up to do. I did notice George's discomfort, but wouldn't have had much clue where that was coming from outside of residual bitterness.

parlance

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17 January 2013
5.29pm
DrBeatle
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George looks like he'd rather be getting a cement enema than be sitting around with Paul and Ringo chatting and playing ukelele in Anthology. It's a bit sad and depressing to watch, really.

I know he resented Paul (and John) a lot, but Paul had tried to be nothing but nice to him in the years since the breakup…George was just really bitter about it and couldn't let go. I know he knew deep down Paul loved him, but it was still sad to see.

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17 January 2013
6.05pm
parlance
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*nodding* It sounded like they had reconciled by the time George passed on – at least based on that Larry King interview where Paul mentioned visiting George at the hospital.

parlance

Beware of sadness. It can hit you. It can hurt you. Make you sore and what is more, that is not what you are here for. - George

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17 January 2013
7.27pm
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Georges money was all tied up in lawsuits but he wasnt truly broke. Thankfully he did agree to it and for me George is the highlight as he isnt taking it uber-seriously.

I think there are moments in the Anthology where George is having fun, even with Paul and Ringo, but there are definately moments where you can see George would rather be listening to a Yoko shreiking concert than being there, one example being when they are busking outside doing some oldies which was in the extras.

 

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17 January 2013
7.45pm
parlance
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meanmistermustard said

one example being when they are busking outside doing some oldies which was in the extras.

I felt a bit sad for Ringo when he says at the end "I like hanging out with you guys," and Paul sort of pets him like "aren't you precious" and George is like "meh."

parlance

 

Beware of sadness. It can hit you. It can hurt you. Make you sore and what is more, that is not what you are here for. - George

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17 January 2013
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^I agree with both of you, there are some cringe-worthy uncomfortable moments like those that you mention. When George is talking to the camera on his own remembering things, he had some hilariously dry and droll moments. But when they're playing the old tunes, and then sitting on the blanket outside chatting, it's almost painful to watch :lol:

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18 January 2013
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Funny Paper
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DrBeatle said

 George looks absolutely miserable, especially when it's him, Paul, and Ringo all in the same room/space sitting around talking.

I remember when I saw that, there was one scene where they are all sitting outside in the grass.  George is holding a ukelele, and Paul gently suggests something to George, and you can see George bristle and recoil -- subtly, but unmistakably -- and Paul just cocks his head and says "Okay, that's fine, whatever you want to do".  Then George as he begins to pick out something on the ukelele, proceeds to ignore Paul and focus all his attention on Ringo. 

A lot of good George's Hindu Swamis and their yogic meditations did him, if he has to hold on to all of that anger still, after 25 fucking years.

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18 January 2013
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I read SOMEWHERE on the almighty interwebs that Paul and George also had an argument on one of those days when they recorded the bits of the 3 of them. I really can't remember where though, damn you memory. It might have even been on here lol. Will try to look for it.

18 January 2013
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Funny Paper said

DrBeatle said

 George looks absolutely miserable, especially when it's him, Paul, and Ringo all in the same room/space sitting around talking.

I remember when I saw that, there was one scene where they are all sitting outside in the grass.  George is holding a ukelele, and Paul gently suggests something to George, and you can see George bristle and recoil -- subtly, but unmistakably -- and Paul just cocks his head and says "Okay, that's fine, whatever you want to do".  Then George as he begins to pick out something on the ukelele, proceeds to ignore Paul and focus all his attention on Ringo. 

A lot of good George's Hindu Swamis and their yogic meditations did him, if he has to hold on to all of that anger still, after 25 fucking years.

 

I know exactly which scene you're talking about, and it's enough to make you squirm in your seat just watching it! I've read many people make the same comment you made regarding how he was all into meditation and inner peace but was very cranky and obsessed over money (even from the earliest Beatles days) and held onto anger and resentment and bitterness for a LONG time. I don't doubt he was genuinely a good person, but he really needed to learn how to forgive. Hell, if Ringo could forgive GEORGE HIMSELF for shagging his wife, surely George could forgive Paul for bossing him around a bit in the late 60s? Especially since Paul was really the one who actually worked with George on his songs, John being the one who skipped all the sessions post-66 (and John is even on record complaining about when George called him for some help on Taxman).

 

And Linde, I remember reading that somewhere, too…hopefully one of us (or someone else) can dig that up

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19 January 2013
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Yes Dr. Beatle, what you said.  Certainly many people look to Eastern wisdom because they need to sort out their problems and find some inner peace; so one can't begrudge them too much for being imperfect, I guess.  But at the very least, if we forgive George for failing to live up to the Hindu ideal he touted like it was greatest thing since sliced cheese, can we not similarly forgive Christians when they all too humanly slip up… one wonders?

 

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