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8 January 2013
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Egroeg Evoli
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There's a grammar thread, so what the heck, why not.

I know, I know, you all hate me for turning the Fab Forum into an academic place of learning or whatever.

Random math-related fact: to write out the number googolplex without shortening it using exponents or anything like that, even if you write one number on each atom in the universe, it would be impossible, because there are more zeros in googolplex than there are atoms in the universe.

Semi-math-related-well-not-really fact: There are more stars in the universe than there are grains of sand on the Earth.

Look at me, derailing my own thread... on the first post. Please, do not live by example.

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8 January 2013
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Egroeg Evoli said
There's a grammar thread, so what the heck, why not.

I know, I know, you all hate me for turning the Fab Forum into an academic place of learning or whatever.

Random math-related fact: to write out the number googolplex without shortening it using exponents or anything like that, even if you write one number on each atom in the universe, it would be impossible, because there are more zeros in googolplex than there are atoms in the universe.

Semi-math-related-well-not-really fact: There are more stars in the universe than there are grains of sand on the Earth.

Look at me, derailing my own thread... on the first post. Please, do not live by example.

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How do they know how many atoms there are in the universe?

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8 January 2013
3.58am
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I don't know... perhaps it means the observable universe? (Google it) But probably not.

Anyway, since this math thread seems to be turning into a thread about the universe, I have some more things to say*:

How is the universe possible? How can it go on forever? Yet it seems impossible for it to end, because logically, there should be something on the other side, a concept supported by the theory that the universe is ever-expanding: If it's expanding, what is it expanding into? Nothingness? And what is nothingness, exactly? What does it look like? Is nothingness possible? Is nothingness infinite? How can anything be truly infinite? It just doesn't seem possible for something (not a concept, like a number or something like that, I mean a real, tangible thing) to go on forever? And that includes time. Could it be possible for time to go on forever? When did time begin? How is it possible for time to begin? What was before time? And will time go on forever? What if time ends? What then? What's left? Nothingness? And speaking of nothingness, if there was nothingness before matter, where did the matter come from? How could it appear from nothing? And going back to time: time travel. Is it possible? What if (I'm not saying anybody here would do this; it's just hypothetical) you went back in time and killed your mother before she had you? Theoretically, you would disappear off the face of the Earth... but then, since you never would have existed, you never would have been able to kill your mother; therefore, she would still be alive, thus you would still be alive, but then you could kill her, and then the whole thing starts over again...

I have too much to say about stuff like that. Plenty more than what I have written. Furthermore, I encourage you to derail this thread (is there a way to change the name of the topic?) and engage in a discussion about the origin of the universe and time and things like that. Oh, boy, this should be interesting...

*If you have read my mini-bio in the "Introduce Yourself to the Forum" thread, you will have already read some of the things that are written here.

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8 January 2013
4.24am
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My head is bleeding!

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8 January 2013
5.11am
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Those are all good questions; to me they are the heart of philosophy. As Eric Voegelin once said, the questions are more important than the answers -- at least for these kinds of questions.  They don't seem answerable, but at the same time they point to some kind of answer.  It would be absurd for a question not to have an answer; so why can't we find answers for these particular kinds of questions?  It's a mystery without closure.

You might be interested in Liebniz who was famous for asking two questions:

(1) Why is there something, why not nothing? And

(2) Why is there something as it is, and not different?

Voegelin wrote that "These two questions are at the core of true experience which motivates constructions of the Aristotelian and Thomist type."

 

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8 January 2013
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I have always wondered about time travel, too. I can't put too much thought into it, though, because after awhile I just can't think about it anymore. It doesn't make sense, and I can't deal with having questions that can't be answered. Time travel lets you go to any time in the universe, so are there just zillions upon zillions of parallel universes for every day that ever has or will took place, or do you make up a new parallel universe each time you time travel?

In science class in eighth grade I learned that time gets faster as it gets farther from the Earth's core, and the faster an object is going, the slower time goes. I don't remember what the explanation was, something to do with gravity, but I do remember that it didn't make any sense to me. What is time, and how can it slow down for one object? Like if you were taking a ride in a rocket ship, then time would be going slower than it would if you were riding in a car. The person in the rocket ship would be doing that at the same moment millions of other people are in their cars, so how can time be going slower if at the same moment time is going different speeds with other people? Does anybody understand this, because it has kind of always really annoyed me.

 

Anyways.. I love math! It's pretty much my favorite subject in school, and actually, I am planning on becoming a mathematician once I get old. I'm in Pre Calc right now, which really isn't the funnest. Algebra and Geometry were my favorites, but it's always like I hate it when learning it, and then when I review for the test I realize how much fun it is and I change my mind.

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8 January 2013
12.41pm
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Surely if time travel allowed for to go back then we would know having been visited be someone who had done so unless you cant go cant go back past the point it was invented in (meaning if built at 10:56am you cant go back to 10:55 you can only return to the original starting point at 10:56am).

If you do go back can you meet yourself or is that crossing the time constraints and would it blow a hole in the fabric of time? I do think you would affect your future if you did go back and alter the past even to the minipod degree so therefore youre future where you started from wouldnt have been what it was but that cant be because you went back to meet yourself. That was the fatal flaw in Disneys Meet the Robinsons.

If you went back and killed youre mother it would be smarter to do so after youre birth - few would suspect a five year old of intentionally putting arsenic in her cornflakes, must have been daddy.

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9 January 2013
3.40pm
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"Time exists so that everything doesn't happen at once. Space exists so that it doesn't all happen to you."

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9 January 2013
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There's the idea of "time's arrow" (Google that) -- basically time has this mysterious property of only going in one direction (forward).  I think the problems we encounter logically and psycho-logically when we indulge in sci-fi imagination and "what ifs" about time travel reflects the fact that we are indulging in counter-factual fantasy.

Like imagining "What if I were not me, but I was rather someone else?"  Well, duh, if you weren't you, there wouldn't be a "you" to wonder about.

 

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12 January 2013
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I thought about becoming a mathematician until I remembered I was only good in school up until ninth grade.

 

I want to become a musician, but I plan to go to a vocational school near me and get either into Industrial Electricity or Marketing and Management so I have something to fall back on if I'm not successful, though that's slim. I don't like to brag, but I'm a pretty good guitarist, considering I've only been playing a few months. I'm not too bad at drums, either!

 

Now, back on topic: I MUST be the only person not understanding any of this.

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12 January 2013
4.17pm
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You're not, EDS. I keep reading it. My brain is bleeding!

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16 January 2013
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Shouldn't have entered this thread.

My poor brains hurt. I just to be very good at calculating and maths in primary school, but since the 8th grade I REALLY suck at it. I dislike it and found it hard too understand and to memorize everything. Unfortunately it was mandatory in Pre-University Education. That's mainly why I failed my finals and dropped to Higher General Secondary Education.

My siblings and mom suck at maths too. My dad is very good at maths and science and all that stuff. I wished I inherited some of his brains, but nope.

16 January 2013
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Somewhat related to Math: We've been talking in one my classes recently about the possibility for a material to have a temperature lower than absolute zero. Until now I figured that was the lowest possible (if it was even possible) temperature since the substance would have absolutely no energy. But apparently through some mathematical theories temperatures below absolute zero could exist and if we can actually achieve them, we could maybe create systems that are %100 efficient (sort of like superconductivity) while still obeying the laws of thermodynamics, which would do wonders for technology. However scientists still have yet to even achieve absolute zero, so there's no way of knowing at the moment.

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