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1 April 2020
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Speaking of the middle eight, after reading Geoff Emerick’s book a while back, my brain always always automatically points out how the transition between the verse and middle eight is choppy. 

"....When I cannot sing my heart, I can only speak my mind...." 

"....This ain't no party, this ain't no disco, this ain't no fooling around...."

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Speaking of the middle eight, after reading Geoff Emerick’s book a while back, my brain always always automatically points out how the transition between the verse and middle eight is choppy.   

You mean songwriting-wise or recording-wise? You have piqued my curiosity and now I, too, would like to spoil my innocence by hearing things in songs I can never unhear. ahdn_john_08_gif

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Speaking of the middle eight, after reading Geoff Emerick’s book a while back, my brain always always automatically points out how the transition between the verse and middle eight is choppy.   

You mean songwriting-wise or recording-wise? You have piqued my curiosity and now I, too, would like to spoil my innocence by hearing things in songs I can never unhear. ahdn_john_08_gif

Of course, I’d be delighted to point it out to you! ahdn_john_08_gif

Also, it’s neither recording- nor songwriting-wise, but editing-wise (since the middle section was recorded separately from the original written and recorded take). You see, it wasn’t edited into the song particularly gracefully and so the transition back into the verse is sharp and abrupt– this is noticeable at 1:27 in the song where it goes from John singing his heart out back to the three-part harmony (listen with headphones). Also, I found the passage in the book that references what I’m talking about:

From Here, There And Everywhere  by Geoff Emerick (pg. 75):

Once the vocals were recorded, however, there was another snag: Harrison’s overdubbed guitar solo, which was particularly uninspired. George Martin didn’t like it one bit, and insisted on substituting vocals during the middle section instead– which was a good thing, because John did an incredible job of singing them, and an even more brilliant job of double-tracking his heartfelt performance, hitting every pitch and inflection spot on. Unfortunately, the editing job Norman did later that night was not up to his usual standard, and, especially on CD, it’s obvious that the middle section was recorded separately and spliced in. 

Songwriting-wise, the middle eight fits nicely. So there’s absolutely no problems in that arena.a-hard-days-night-george-10

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^^^ @Beatlebug a-hard-days-night-george-10

I forgot to @tt in the original post and since they don’t work when edited in…….

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^Thanks, I’ll have to listen for it.

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Songwriting-wise, the middle eight fits nicely. So there’s absolutely no problems in that arena.a-hard-days-night-george-10  

That’s why I asked, because I had already gotten an argument lined up for the fittingness of it but I wanted to make sure a-hard-days-night-john-6

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lovelyritametermaid said
Speaking of the middle eight, after reading Geoff Emerick’s book a while back, my brain always always automatically points out how the transition between the verse and middle eight is choppy. 

Now that you mentioned, I have noticed it, yeah. I guess the quality of the harmonic arrangement sooths whatever dislike I can have for this song, but that edit is kind of off, it’s true.

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Sorry for being thick but I don’t get this guitar solo part.

Once the vocals were recorded, however, there was another snag: Harrison’s overdubbed guitar solo, which was particularly uninspired. George Martin didn’t like it one bit, and insisted on substituting vocals during the middle section instead– which was a good thing, because John did an incredible job of singing them, and an even more brilliant job of double-tracking his heartfelt performance, hitting every pitch and inflection spot on. Unfortunately, the editing job Norman did later that night was not up to his usual standard, and, especially on CD, it’s obvious that the middle section was recorded separately and spliced in. 

There are edits on the song but we know that John was singing the middle eight by take 4 and there is no guitar solo in take 13 when they are singing the middle eight. So is Emerick saying they went back to the solo (which John C Winn says was ditched early on), then cut it out again to go back to John’s solo? Why would George Martin insist on substituting vocals at a part where we know vocals were?

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