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27 January 2013
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Are there any live performances where Ringo plays the "What'd I Say" beat like he does on the record?

 

For the record, I've never bought the asinine conspiracy theory that he's not playing on the record, his ability to play that drum line was what got him into the band, and he clearly plays a similar line in "The Night Before ". I'd always assumed he simplified it in concert because it wasn't worth the effort when he couldn't be heard, and the simplified version was easier for the other 3 to hear.

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Are there any live performances where Ringo plays the "What'd I Say" beat like he does on the record?

 

For the record, I've never bought the asinine conspiracy theory that he's not playing on the record, his ability to play that drum line was what got him into the band, and he clearly plays a similar line in "The Night Before ". I'd always assumed he simplified it in concert because it wasn't worth the effort when he couldn't be heard, and the simplified version was easier for the other 3 to hear.

Interesting theory. I think so, nobody could really hear him live, especially with the screams. I still believe that he plays on the record.

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I was watching the Anthology again last night and Ringo mentions how by that point, all he could do on the drums in concerts was keep the steady 4-beat on the snare because they couldn't hear a damn thing and if he tried to do anything more complex or go to the tom-toms, it just got lost in the noise. I also have read that he had to watch the other 3's movements and lips to try and guess where in the song they were because they couldn't hear anything.

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It´s ridiculous, when you think about it. No artist should have to perform under those circumstances.

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It´s ridiculous, when you think about it. No artist should have to perform under those circumstances.

Granted, they were severely limited by the equipment at the time. The real shame is that, right when they quit touring in '66, that's when The Who, Cream, and Hendrix were working with Jim Marshall to help invent the more powerful amplification that became standard by the late 60s.

 

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DrBeatle said

fabfouremily said
It´s ridiculous, when you think about it. No artist should have to perform under those circumstances.

Granted, they were severely limited by the equipment at the time. The real shame is that, right when they quit touring in '66, that's when The Who, Cream, and Hendrix were working with Jim Marshall to help invent the more powerful amplification that became standard by the late 60s.

 

Talk about bad timing. But all they really needed was for the audience to quiten down a bit (I understood why they all screamed so much, but it was disrespectful to the boys).

 

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4 February 2013
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fabfouremily said

DrBeatle said

fabfouremily said
It´s ridiculous, when you think about it. No artist should have to perform under those circumstances.

Granted, they were severely limited by the equipment at the time. The real shame is that, right when they quit touring in '66, that's when The Who, Cream, and Hendrix were working with Jim Marshall to help invent the more powerful amplification that became standard by the late 60s.

 

Talk about bad timing. But all they really needed was for the audience to quiten down a bit (I understood why they all screamed so much, but it was disrespectful to the boys).

 

It was obvious that most of their listeners weren't interested in their music lol.

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^certainly not until the direction of their music changed enough (as well as their appearances) that the teenyboppers were left behind.

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1 April 2013
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If he ever performed it live, then it would've been on their final Ed Sullivan appearance. I haven't seen it in a while, but the Beatles' music sounds pretty good compared to some of their other concerts from 1965 and especially their 1966 concerts.

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Another great song. I can't get over how the riff is pulled out of the feedback like a magician pulling flowers out of his sleeve. My one issue with the song is that the lyrics feel insecure. I Feel Fine  seems as upbeat as can be, but John's borderline psycho insecurity flashes through. 

Baby's good to me, you know
She's happy as can be, you know
She said so
I'm in love with her and I feel fine
 
I could be wrong, but it feels like this relationship could be in an unhealthy stage and John is trying to lie about it. "Trust me, she's happy as can be she said so" has a completely different vibe from other John love songs of the time, i.e I Should Have Known Better , which describes the love rather than telling about that love exists and he feels fine. To me it feels closer to No Reply or If I Fell on the topic of emotional distress.

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I agree with you there @sir walter raleigh. I never really thought of it that way till I saw your post (no I never heard it at all, Till There Was You ), but I was listening to it today and was struck by how insecure a song it is. He's trying to convince himself that he's in this relationship and feels fine, using her words about his buying her things as proof. paul-mccartney-facepalm_gif

What really struck me was the contrast between this, John's song, and the B-side, Paul's song. She's A Woman is utterly assured: in the very first verse, he sings, 'My love don't give me presents / I know that she's no peasant / All she ever has to give me, love forever and forever...'

It's a highly succinct example out of many of the contrast between John's and Paul's romantic relationship views at the time, as they expressed them in their songs.

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15 September 2017
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Anyone here know how to get that opening note right with just 1 guitar. I have a semi acoustic that I just got up and running and wanted to play I Feel Fine on it but although I can play everything else, even the solo, I can't get the intro right. When I used to play it, I'd just strum the open A string on my guitar but I'm hoping of finding a better way to get that feedback. This is the only song I can think of where the hardest note to play is the first one.

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Anyone here know how to get that opening note right with just 1 guitar. I have a semi acoustic that I just got up and running and wanted to play I Feel Fine on it but although I can play everything else, even the solo, I can't get the intro right. When I used to play it, I'd just strum the open A string on my guitar but I'm hoping of finding a better way to get that feedback. This is the only song I can think of where the hardest note to play is the first one.  

Looking at tabs people generally agree that it is the open A string. I guess it heavily depends on what amp you're using since semi acoustics are obviously pretty good for feedback. Are you playing the note up close to the amp speaker? Valve amps are usually better for feedback as well.

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18 September 2017
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I'm using a modified First Act Discovery with a Strat pickup in the neck position through a Fender Mustang.

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@Dark Overlord I find I have to turn the volume on my Fender Mustang up pretty high before I can get any decent sort of feedback. If the volume's high enough to feed back but not loud enough, then the only sounds I can get are awful high-pitched squeals; but it it's really loud, then I can get lower feedback and more control.

Unfortunately I normally don't like playing that loud... I only do it in a noisy band setting. a-hard-days-night-ringo-13

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Yeah, a lot of feedback can be generated by the volume of the amplifier mainly. Also where you are standing after playing the note ahdn_george_08

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I was listening to take 6 (as I do) and the noodling around at the start is so familiar but I can't remember the song!

 

Also interesting that I prefer the feedback on this take. It sounds much throatier and it's longer

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Yeah, that feedback is fiiine! 

And I think that George is practicing his "She's A Woman " solo. (Is it that one?)

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Aha, that could be the song... I Feel Fine was recorded 18 October 1964 and She's A Woman on the 8th October 1964, so that could check out.

It's a bit different though?

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I love this song.  It is my favorite Beatles song and it's yet to get a full page on here, so I'm gonna fix that.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed how that song has such an uncertain undercurrent running through it.  Most discussion of the song I've seen describe it as being this unambiguously happy song or only mentioned the feedback and the riff and drum patterns they used.

I think because of how happy the bridge sounds musically, people sometimes forget just how melancholy the verses sound.  The lyrics are supposed to be happy and reassuring but the music counters this and shows the sarcasm behind it.

Melodically at least things are structured to sound uncertain.  I'm about to get into some music theory so bear with me. When John sings "she said so" he's singing it on the 5th scale degree which has a strong pull to 1st scale degree, and because this is at the end of the phrase, it sounds unresolved.  This adds in the insecurity to a line that is assumed to be reassuring.  Another line is when the title appears. The line "I feel fine" is the first introduction of the flat 3rd scale degree borrowed from minor.  The minor sounding resolution brings in some bluesiness and adds to the insecurity that's hidden with musical sarcasm.

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