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mr. Sun king coming together
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17 April 2011 - 4.36pm

Actually, I Know, I Know is a terrible song on an ok album. Absolutely nothing good except for the I've Got A Feeling guitar.

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

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17 April 2011 - 6.34pm

mr. Sun king coming together said:

Actually, I Know, I Know is a terrible song on an ok album. Absolutely nothing good except for the I've Got A Feeling guitar.

That always annoyed me quite a bit, how in a whole lot of John's songs he'd take stuff from other songs that he'd done before or that other people'd done before

ONE MINUTE YOU'RE DEFENDING THE WHOLE GALAXY, AND SUDDENLY, YOU FIND YOURSELF SUCKING DOWN DARJEELING WITH MARIE ANTOINETTE AND HER LITTLE SISTER.!

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17 April 2011 - 7.27pm

Could you elaborate?

I sat on a rug, biding my time, drinking her wine

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18 April 2011 - 12.16am

mr. Sun king coming together said:

Actually, I Know, I Know is a terrible song on an ok album. Absolutely nothing good except for the I've Got A Feeling guitar.

Speak for yourself...I love this song. It's one of my favorites by John, even if it is another one of his "apologetic" songs that he seemed so fond of. Guess he had a lot of apologizing to do?

"You can manicure a cat but can you caticure a man?"

John Lennon- Skywriting by Word of Mouth

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18 April 2011 - 12.47am

Fine, it's terrible IMO. But it still sucks.

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

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18 April 2011 - 12.51pm

Thanks for the heads  up on I Know I Know ... I, er, didn't know....

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18 April 2011 - 8.46pm

StrawberryLakiesha said:

That always annoyed me quite a bit, how in a whole lot of John's songs he'd take stuff from other songs that he'd done before or that other people'd done before

 

That's weird, because that's how all music is made. Beethoven took something from Mozart, who took from Bach, who took from medieval music.

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18 April 2011 - 9.47pm

kedame said:

Speak for yourself...I love this song. It's one of my favorites by John, even if it is another one of his "apologetic" songs that he seemed so fond of. Guess he had a lot of apologizing to do?

Sort of. He wasn't always the peace and love guy. He beat the crap out of some guy that called him gay. Imagine what he would do if Cynthia sassed back at him.

I salute the lady who screamed "I love you Paul!" at a tribute band's concert.

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18 April 2011 - 10.52pm

Marcelo said:

StrawberryLakiesha said:

That always annoyed me quite a bit, how in a whole lot of John's songs he'd take stuff from other songs that he'd done before or that other people'd done before

 

That's weird, because that's how all music is made. Beethoven took something from Mozart, who took from Bach, who took from medieval music.

Well I didn't say that I didn't like the music, it's just when I hear a guitar part or whatever and I'm like I've heard this before but I can't remember where it was, that's what annoys me, not the song or how other people'd done it before. So I'm real sorry and I should've been more clearer with it so I'm real sorry and that.

Also, wasn't Bach Mozart's last name, and what do medieval music sound like? Do they have any recordings of that because I thought that back then they were just thinking up new ways to slaughter people and so I would imagine that those musics are pretty scared!!paul-mccartney

ONE MINUTE YOU'RE DEFENDING THE WHOLE GALAXY, AND SUDDENLY, YOU FIND YOURSELF SUCKING DOWN DARJEELING WITH MARIE ANTOINETTE AND HER LITTLE SISTER.!

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18 April 2011 - 11.08pm

Johann Sebastian Bach

Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart

*17*

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18 April 2011 - 11.57pm

mr. Sun king coming together said:

Actually, I Know, I Know is a terrible song on an ok album. Absolutely nothing good except for the I've Got A Feeling guitar.

Blasphemy. Mind Games is fantastic. It's essentially Imagine without I Don't Want To Be A Soldier.a-hard-days-night-george-4

And I neeeeeeeeed her all the time

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19 April 2011 - 12.07am

a-hard-days-night-ringo-8I agree completely. But I heard Imagine first, so I see Mind Games as a imitation, not vice-versa.

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

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19 April 2011 - 1.01am

Ok sorry for saying this but you want to know what's blasphemy??

 

This. This is blasphemy. blue-meanie Damn you dear friend who reminded me of this. blue-meanieblue-meanie

 

Here comes the sun….. Scoobie-doobie……

Something in the way she moves…..attracts me like a cauliflower…

Bop. Bop, cat bop. Go, Johnny, Go.

Beware of Darkness… 

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19 April 2011 - 1.13am

Till There Was You said:

kedame said:

Speak for yourself...I love this song. It's one of my favorites by John, even if it is another one of his "apologetic" songs that he seemed so fond of. Guess he had a lot of apologizing to do?

Sort of. He wasn't always the peace and love guy. He beat the crap out of some guy that called him gay. Imagine what he would do if Cynthia sassed back at him.

I know...I wasn't talking about the peace and love stuff. I was talking about all the apologizing he did via songs...Jealous Guy, Forgive Me My Little Flower Princess...and I 'm sure a ton of others I can't remember right now. These songs are about as apologetic as it gets...nothing to do with peace and love. The "peace" image of John is one I don't truly believe he carried very well. I love John, I really do, and I know it sounds like I'm hard on him sometimes, but during his peaceful years, he seemed like one of the least peaceful and at peace people.

"You can manicure a cat but can you caticure a man?"

John Lennon- Skywriting by Word of Mouth

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19 April 2011 - 1.18am

John had great songs of the same nature, and I Know I Know just pales in comparison.

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

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19 April 2011 - 1.22am

I know exactly what you meant. He was a violent man, and could not tolerate alcohol well. His own son called him a hypocrite for basically leaving him, and promoting peace with Yoko.

He may be my favorite Beatle, but not my favorite person. Person-wise, I think I like George a loooooot better, but I didn't really know him, did I? I mean, cheating on his wife with Ringo's doesn't make him any better...

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19 April 2011 - 1.46am

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I know exactly what you meant. He was a violent man, and could not tolerate alcohol well. His own son called him a hypocrite for basically leaving him, and promoting peace with Yoko.

He may be my favorite Beatle, but not my favorite person. Person-wise, I think I like George a loooooot better, but I didn't really know him, did I? I mean, cheating on his wife with Ringo's doesn't make him any better...

Totally true...they all had problems, didn't they? Like Julian, I just find John a little more hypocritical than the others, I guess. It's not usually John I have issue with, it's the people who idolize John to the point of going, "He's NOT a bad a person! He was troubled! You don't know anything!" Lol...yeah, like being troubled doesn't make you a bad person sometimes. I love John's complexities, but they confuse me at the same time.

 

17!

"You can manicure a cat but can you caticure a man?"

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19 April 2011 - 1.50am

Ok I'm going to say something that maybe it won't be popular.

 

I don't want to wear the "I'm a Beatle fan" but to be honest, who are we to criticize John? Ok, I'm going to explain it this way. Once a friend of mine told me why I liked Bono after watching him a photo of him with 2 girls sitting on his lap. And I said "Well, I'm not his wife… am I?" I like his music, but I'm not marrying him to get pissed of with him for cheating his wife.

 

So that's my position with John. Yeah, he sucked big time as a father while he was promoting peace with Yoko, but I think, I insist, in my humble opinion, the only one who has the right to say, to point, to blame him, it's Julian Lennon. He was the one who suffered. He was the one who was abandoned. John didn't do anything that any other person could do. He was just a person with terrible flaws and problems, and that's what made him the musician we know and love. What made him leave Julian the way he did? We don't know. Julian seems in peace now with that.

 

It's not that I say I admire John 100%. Some of his character traits I love them but I wouldn't think of him on Father's Day that's for sure. a-hard-days-night-paul-10

 

Edit : I agree with you kedame. John was not a saint. He could be truly mean.

 

 

Here comes the sun….. Scoobie-doobie……

Something in the way she moves…..attracts me like a cauliflower…

Bop. Bop, cat bop. Go, Johnny, Go.

Beware of Darkness… 

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19 April 2011 - 1.56am

They all had issues in their own ways -- and it's okay. That makes them human. Repeat it with me...

He had a troubled childhood, but these days, a lot of people have. My parents weren't any better than his are, but I'm sure that If I go around and try to one up my best friend all the time, or if I lose my anger to beer, and then not practice what I preach, I'd be considered crazy. Because he's famous, he gets away with it. It's okay. Someone said that John was a celebrity, and by that, he opened up his life to us. It's just...I can't stand it, like you said, when people make him to be a better person that what he was. I didn't truly know him, though, so I can't really be honest.

Mith, I read what you wrote after I wrote this: He's human. We all are, and have our own falls. He had a right to live how he did, but I'm not going to make it seem like him writing some number one songs gave him a golden ticket to heaven.

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mr. Sun king coming together
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19 April 2011 - 2.05am

I'm sorry, but celebritites don't trade fame for privacy. John was great, he was a bastard, but that made John John. I'm sorry, but Mith, I disagree. By him cheating and ditching his wife/child, he almost glorifies it. ALMOST. Personally, I feel celebrities are way to over-analyzed (Charlie Sheen anyone?), but it doesn't erase his flaws. And this may seem very impersonal, but Mith, if your premise was accepted, than all laws couldn't exist. People wouldn't challenge murders because they weren't the victim, and all society would decay.

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

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