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Bagism
8 October 2016
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So I was recently watching the two appearances John and Yoko made on the Dick Cavett show, the second one being where they explain bagism with their two bag-wearing friends in the audience. I was thinking about it, and being on the forum is similar to being in a bag. Very few of us have met in person, and only a handful have posted pictures of themselves. While we talk about nationality pretty often and ethnicity a bit, we don't really discuss race. (Which I find great because I think everyone just needs to shut up and let everyone be equal in the real world and stop creating more distinctions between humans that stretch beyond character.) And speaking of character, that's all we have to judge each other by on the forum. We don't know what race you are, how old you are, how tall you are (well there is the height thread), what you dress like, who you do (or don't) surround yourself with, all we can gather from each other's written words are our personalities.

Although I doubt any of is would feel any differently if we were to find these things out about people, (For example, we know the ages of many forum members and that doesn't effect our discussions other than the experiences that time frame has allowed that person to have.) it is still nice to be in the metaphorical bag as it really allows us to see everyone for who they really are, not who they appear to be at first glance.

My thought was to make this about bagism as the forum metaphor, but that could be a short conversation and bagism itself is interesting, so this is the place to discuss Forum Bagism and real life Bagism.  

That is what I like about this forum. I don't know your gender, race, sexuality, location, or even how honest you are on these forums. For example, someone can't favor a male users posts over a female users or try to get onto a female user or make a watermelon joke after getting pissed off at a user of African decent because there's no way to know if someone on here is a male or not. For all I know, I could be talking to Tim Allen, Dee Snyder, Brian May, Jimmy Nicol, Eddie Trunk, Gene Simmons, or even Kevin Clash (I like him for his voice of Splinter and Baby Sinclair, not Elmo, just in case if anyone asks).

Maybe you should try posting more.

8 October 2016
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Idk. I feel like I know most everybody's gender on here, and the definition of race by Merriam is "a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics". Based upon this definition, we are all the same race: Beatles fans. 

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8 October 2016
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Not to be sexist, but I personally just assume everyone on here is a male unless I find out otherwise. Also, race might not have been the best word to use, I should've said nationality.

Maybe you should try posting more.

8 October 2016
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I think I mostly assume people on here are female unless they have a username that implies otherwise. 

I feel like I know a good number of people's nationalities. 

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8 October 2016
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Interesting how before we are even told anything about someone we throw a label on to a set of words. The same thing happened in a show I watched called Solitary where the contestants never are able to have any contact with each other and are only known by their number.

I have seen males called females and vice versa, wonder what aspects about the posts that people associat with gender or sex of the person?

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9 October 2016
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HMBeatlesfan said

I wonder what your cats posts look like, are they like this:

meow meow meow, meow meow, meow meow meow meow meow, meow, meow meow, meow

or are they more like this:

etgadvz ryehfsbxjgncb fhmcb ,vn utlg,jvn yilj,gvn buo;I,hjg nvbyil,jgv bfmg cfvx nv  mdgbv uh ythv ujn ,hgbv in sczon l,fb cbi nk,svxijn kmwvsd czbi knmfeqvdax zibk nm2refdv89uoijlk3hm vxu9iojm ,tgv hbj nfgb hn rmg chin trjhgndbv  

More like the second one.

Though I'm pretty sure that even if I didn't label it as Chloe the cat, people would still be able to tell it's her.

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Imagine if politicians were forced to use bagism when running and serving. Their voices would go through a filter so you couldn't tell male from female. You couldn't tell race or ethnic background...only hear their positions and propositions. Imagine if no one knew Obama was Black. What a different place we'd be in! LOL.

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11 October 2016
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Reminds me of back in the 1910s people didn't know who the actors were. In 1920 eventually the audience demanded to know and made them celebrities.

Why do people reject bagism?

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11 October 2016
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Starr Shine? said

Why do people reject bagism?

I think what meanmistermustard said in another thread that relates to this.

It's important that people know who each other are when having conversations and reading thru posts otherwise confusion and frustration creeps in and it becomes a hassle trying to work out who it is you are speaking to; recognising the username also does alter how you write and respond in a post as you get to know the individual you are replying to.

One thing is that, does it really matter who we are speaking to on a public forum since it should be the words that are responded to and not the person.

Since by feeling frustration and confusion from the lack of identity there is a focus on the identifiers and not the message.

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11 October 2016
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There is too much focus on identity in today's culture. Websites increasingly make you use your real name when you join them or post comments. In the 90's, the Internet was more fun and friendly.

"This Beatles talk bores me to death.” —John Lennon 

11 October 2016
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Starr Shine? said 

 One thing is that, does it really matter who we are speaking to on a public forum since it should be the words that are responded to and not the person.

Since by feeling frustration and confusion from the lack of identity there is a focus on the identifiers and not the message.  

That is one aspect of Bagism that intrigues me. No prejudging, just the message. But, playing Devil's advocate, let's look at the other side of that. Pretend for a moment that none of us had user names, avatars or any other form of identification. I think that would be boring and too clinical. Also, many friendships have been formed in this Forum - I have to believe this is true of most Forums. Not knowing who to respond to would make that impossible as well.

Bagism is an excellent example of how much better the world would be if stereotyping and biases were things of the past. It does not, however, work very well as a practice. It shouldn't come to obscuring identities for the world to get along.

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A place I can think of that is like bagism is 4chan where everyone is anonymous. It gives off a different vibe.

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Imagine if politicians were forced to use bagism when running and serving. Their voices would go through a filter so you couldn't tell male from female. You couldn't tell race or ethnic background...only hear their positions and propositions. Imagine if no one knew Obama was Black. What a different place we'd be in! LOL.  

With this set up, I would be worried about just who is running the office since someone could easily replace someone else like how Big Brother works in 1984.

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11 October 2016
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4Chan was (may still be) notorious for cyber bulling and loathsome vile messages that highlighted the depths that humans could plummet to because users were anonymous. Not a pleasant place to be.

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That phenomenon is called GIFT since without social consequences, people can speak their mind more.

Would effective moderation reduce that problem since the moderation style on this forum vs 4chan is different.

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11 October 2016
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SaxonMothersSon said                   Imagine if no one knew Obama was Black. What a different place we'd be in! LOL.  

Yeah, maybe he wouldn't have even become president, because Oprah might have picked us a different one.

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What? Oprah chooses the president?

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What? Oprah chooses the president?  

She appointed Obama

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Is she the antichrist?

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Is she the antichrist?  

No. Quite the opposite, actually. She is one of His most precious children. 

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Little Piggy Dragonguy said

She appointed Obama  

THAT'S kind of a FoxNews/InfoWar thought....tiptoeing away to blast Gimme Some Truth ...hehe

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