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I can't enjoy The Beatles anymore.
7 May 2014
9.14am
Ron Nasty
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Linde said
I agree with Ron Nasty.

Thank you!

Btw, I've never done any drugs except for weed... I do like drinking, but I know how to handle myself...

This is what I hate. The bit where if it's illegal it's a drug, but if it's legal it somehow isn't. Sorry to break your illusions, but alcohol is a drug. Sugar is a drug. Caffeine is a drug. The only difference is, in most countries, taxed and untaxed. To me, if you like your sugar rush, your caffeine hit, your chocolate, and a drink on a Friday night, you're using drugs.

Stop pretending there is some big difference between legal and illegal. The only difference is governance, and that may not be all for the good.

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7 May 2014
9.54am
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Annadog40 said

(I am below 21, so this should be a given) never drank alcohol. 

If you are in America most places have their drinking limit lower like Canada is 19 while Mexico and Ireland are 18. 

Aaand in Macedonia the limit's 18 as well, but you can be 2 years old and every single place that sells alcohol will allow you to buy whatever drink you want, provided that you can make it there and say the word right. People don't respect most of the laws here and there is no one to stop them from breaking them.

Although a lot of teenagers over here drink, the underage drinking rate is not even nearly as high as it is in the Western European countries as well as the USA, Canada etc. I remember being 5 years old and having my parents send me to buy wine for the guests, or having my grandfather ask me to get him a beer from the market across the street. My parents run a 'small' market, and there are dozens of kids buying alcohol and cigarettes daily. People are used to that sort of thing here, so drinking and smoking doesn't make them as 'cool' here as it would in the more developed countries around the world. That's what I meant in my previous post, that it's the fact that drinking, smoking and taking drugs are forbidden, that people are more drawn to doing them, especially underage kids. 

When I spent my previous summer in Germany, I finally realized what drugs and alcohol meant to the world. I saw kids running away from their drinking spots - leaving the alcohol behind too! - when they spotted police near by. And then I saw the same kids buying some more alcohol illegally. The fact that a thing like that has never happened in Macedonia left me bewildered. What I was most concerned about was, that the vodka the kids bought was four times the price it would have cost them to buy it in Macedonia, and they still left it behind and bought some more! I drank with some people I hung around with for weeks, and what shocked me was that the Russians among the group had to take a sip of Coca-Cola after drinking the tiniest bit of vodka. And we all know how famed vodka-drinkers are Russians are! In Macedonia, that never happens. Everyone drinks as much as they feel like (of course, there are always the obvious exceptions, but I'm talking about the 'normal' type of people I hang out with). The Russians were as equally shocked to find me swallow down a shot after shot of tequila without even stopping to take a lemon in my mouth - I didn't even know people really did that, aside from films!

So yes, the fact that alcohol is forbidden around the world for people under the ages of 18, 21 or whatever - that's what mostly responsible for underage drinking! The same goes for drugs. Had they been accepted as normal to consume and legal to buy, there would be a lot less people using any! The more one is set on anti-drug, anti-alcohol demands, the more their usage is encouraged. 

As Linde and Ron Nasty and others above me said, marijuana is as harmful as many things we consume on daily basis. And it is certainly less harmful than alcohol, which is legal. But how many people would consume heroin had it been legal to buy, all the while knowing the harmful effects it has? I'm sure the number of people who'd consume it then would be much lower than what we've got nowadays.

The Beatles, in fact, consumed *harmless* (a very exaggerated from many points of view, I know) drugs, aside from John's heroin usage. Some people like eating and therefore get fat, other like smoking weed in order to get high. It is a choice a person has to make for themselves. 
I understand that if drugs were to be legalized and accepted it would be a mess, and that the wrong people would have easy access to them, but isn't that the case anyway nowadays?

As long as one doesn't cause any harm to society or themselves under the influence or anything, it is okay to consume it in my eyes. The Beatles surely as hell don't cause you any harm while listening to their music, nor to they submit you to drug use. Find your own meaning to their songs. :-)

 

I once went to Amsterdam and didn't smoke weed either. And, having read what I've written, I realize I might come off as a heavy drug/alcohol user. In fact, I haven't had a drink in months, and almost never done any drugs.

7 May 2014
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Ron Nasty said

Linde said
I agree with Ron Nasty.

Thank you!

Btw, I've never done any drugs except for weed... I do like drinking, but I know how to handle myself...

This is what I hate. The bit where if it's illegal it's a drug, but if it's legal it somehow isn't. Sorry to break your illusions, but alcohol is a drug. Sugar is a drug. Caffeine is a drug. The only difference is, in most countries, taxed and untaxed. To me, if you like your sugar rush, your caffeine hit, your chocolate, and a drink on a Friday night, you're using drugs.

Stop pretending there is some big difference between legal and illegal. The only difference is governance, and that may not be all for the good.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

7 May 2014
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Ron Nasty said

Linde said
I agree with Ron Nasty.

Thank you!

Btw, I've never done any drugs except for weed... I do like drinking, but I know how to handle myself...

This is what I hate. The bit where if it's illegal it's a drug, but if it's legal it somehow isn't. Sorry to break your illusions, but alcohol is a drug. Sugar is a drug. Caffeine is a drug. The only difference is, in most countries, taxed and untaxed. To me, if you like your sugar rush, your caffeine hit, your chocolate, and a drink on a Friday night, you're using drugs.

Stop pretending there is some big difference between legal and illegal. The only difference is governance, and that may not be all for the good.

That's what I said wasn't it? That there's a lot of harm in other substances as well, but that it's hard to compare sugar with heroin? 

And when I said ''I've never done any drugs'' you know I meant ''real'' drugs like coke, heroine, the whole bunch. Maybe I should've been more specific. And now I'm not going to say anything anymore because I really can't express what I mean in English for some reason and that will probably get me into trouble.

7 May 2014
6.19pm
Ron Nasty
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@Linde Sorry if I sounded a little mean. It was nothing to do with your English, which you know is very good. Many people with English as their first language would make exactly the same description.

I know it is difficult to think of sugar and heroin as both being drugs that have a harmful effect, but you only need look to realise that people not taking sugar seriously is increasingly bad. The truth is that more people suffer from the ill-effects of sugar than virtually any other drug. The easy example is diabetes type 2 - a condition associated with the high intake of sugar in the diet. In 1985 there were around 35 million people suffering from type 2, by 2010 that had gone up to 285 million. 90% of diabetes is now type 2. So I would ask whether heroin or sugar has damaged society more.

The point I was making was that the distinction between legal and illegal, taxed and untaxed, is false to the amount of harm they do. Sugar and alcohol are both great examples of that. The effects of those cost society far more than the hardest illegal drugs combined.

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7 May 2014
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Yes, but I wasn't disagreeing on that! I actually agree with you and think there should be paid more attention to that. I mean, it's good that we're being informed about the risks of smoking, drinking and drugs, and of course you learn that healthy food is good and stuff, but I doubt that many people are really aware about the effects of sugar and other substances. I had an exam on Healthcare the other day, and there was a bit about diabetes. It actually shocked me how many people didn't really know anything about it. And I study at a University of applied sciences for god sake! 

8 May 2014
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TT454 said
So, basically, I feel as though I can't enjoy The Beatles anymore. Why? It's simple - I don't do drugs. I never have, never wanted to and never will. So, I feel like a massive, disgusting hypocrite to call myself a Beatles fan, because drugs are so closely linked to the Beatles that they practically represent the drug culture. They promoted drugs in their music and movies and became the most famous hippies ever. 

Why don't I do drugs? It's obvious. I have excellent, loving parents who care about me and always told me as a kid that drugs are dangerous. My life-skills (social studies) teachers said exactly the same thing. 

Some priest's molest children.  Were you told to stay away from Church too???

Come on, your being ridiculous, give your head a shake and start enjoying the Music for what it is! a-hard-days-night-ringo-15

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I've never smoked drugs either. I've seen the after-effects (physical and mental). I was always raised not to do drugs and you hear it several times in lectures at school. I don't even do tobacco or alcohol. I know that the Beatles were big time drug addicts and they really messed their lives up. However, I really don't think you cannot enjoy their music because of what they did. The majority of musicians use drugs. Even modern hip hop and pop artists that I don't like their music use drugs. This convinces me that doing drugs doesn't make you a good artist. Musical ability makes good music. The DEA states that drugs like LSD do not stimulate creativity. You can't not like their music for what they did. The fact that they did drugs was purely coincidental.

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12 June 2014
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I have never done drugs, don't drink or smoke. I am 61 years old and a professional musician. You need to like the music and not base your opinion on them as people. We are not their friends and don't really know what they are like as people except by what we read and maybe some interviews but they could also be not telling us the complete story. Whether they took drugs or not is not the question. If you like the music, that's what is important. If we base our decision on drug intake, you might as well not listen to popular music since the majority of the music business has been involved in either drugs, drink or sex. You need to do what you feel is right for yourself and not be swayed but other people's opinion. The music itself is what it's all about. Make your decision on that!

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Inner Light said
I have never done drugs, don't drink or smoke. I am 61 years old and a professional musician. You need to like the music and not base your opinion on them as people. We are not their friends and don't really know what they are like as people except by what we read and maybe some interviews but they could also be not telling us the complete story. Whether they took drugs or not is not the question. If you like the music, that's what is important. If we base our decision on drug intake, you might as well not listen to popular music since the majority of the music business has been involved in either drugs, drink or sex. You need to do what you feel is right for yourself and not be swayed but other people's opinion. The music itself is what it's all about. Make your decision on that!

Thank you, @Inner Light. That's what I've been trying to say. Base your opinions about music on the actual music, not personal vices. It is true that if it was solely based on personal choices, there would be no popular music to listen to.

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