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Composer Opinion: The Songs That Never Were
13 November 2011
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If you've seen the BBC Four Stuart Sutcliffe documentary, then you might have a different opinion on this. Anyways, I saw the documentary and listened to the words Stuart wrote in his letters home, and thought he was great at using words poetically. Then I thought, if he decided not to leave The Beatles or still help in The Beatles and didn't die, would a Lennon/Sutcliffe or Lennon/McCartney/Sutcliffe song sound great and have great lyrics? It's just a thought, I mean, think of the possibilities.

 

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13 November 2011
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Interesting question.

There might have been if Stu hadnt of quit to stay with Astrid but is there any evidence of John and/or Paul writing anything with Stu before he did leave, there would have been ample opportunity. And Paul and John agreed early on it was Lennon/McCartney. Stu seems to be more interested in painting and writing poetry than writing songs, tho who knows whats been lost either in a drawer somewhere or destroyed, there may have been a few written by John and Stu.

As for would there have been great lyrics or great songs, not a lot of what the John and Paul wrote during that period was great as they were finding their way so its unlikely that anything Stu added would have made the songs worst. Can songs like I Lost My Little Girl, Thinking of Linking get any worse and Love Me Do has got very simple repetitive lyrics. There is a good chance his imagery and word use may have added something additional to the mix, a little twist to the norm.

But i doubt it would have lasted. It was right for both Stu and the Beatles that Stu stayed with Astrid in Hamburg. It just sucks that Stu's life ended so early as he was a very talented Artist. 

"Well, probably we'll sell less records, less people'll go to see the film, we'll write less songs, and we'll all die of failure" (John Lennon 8/64)
13 November 2011
4.39pm
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a-hard-days-night-george-4 I think John and Stuart did write some lyrics together. I'm not sure if they ever were made into songs, though. 

 

http://www.stuartsutcliffeart……emorabilia

 

"As I stood on the doorstep of romance
You told me
Then you threw your loving arms around me
and you gave me, yes gave me, you gave
Peace of Mind…"

 

Well, doesn't sound too spectacular. But it's more…Daring than early Beatles, I suppose.  I don't think there would have been any chance for Paul and Stuart writing together, though. Just the thought of it makes me laugh. I do think Stuart had the ability to write some good stuff, based on some of his own poems, like 

"In fiery Innocence of youth complaining
Appeared a lonely heart
Denied the pleasures of a yearning soul
Denied the thrill that love imparts…"

Well, it's nonsense alright. But pretty nonsense. 

13 November 2011
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A sheet of lyrics for unreleased Beatles song written by Stuart Sutcliffe and John Lennon, early 1960’sWritten in pencil on white paper, seven lines in which Stuart writes:As I stood on the doorstep of romanceYou told meThen you threw your loving arms around meand you gave me, yes gave me, you gavePeace of Mind…Above the lyrics Stuart has written a set list of five songs and chords.

Hopefully you can see the lyrics Stu and John wrote that minime posted above.

"Well, probably we'll sell less records, less people'll go to see the film, we'll write less songs, and we'll all die of failure" (John Lennon 8/64)
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