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mithveaen
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29 November 2010 - 7.46pm

In Rolling Stone The Playlist special, Yoko Ono chooses (who else?) her personal top 10 John Lennon's songs.

 

http://rollingstoneextras.com/.....w/yoko-ono

 

Yoko Ono loves the Beatles, but in choosing her late husband's best songs, she focused on the records Lennon made after the band's breakup. "He felt more free," says Ono. "He was getting down to what he was feeling. He was really speaking the truth."

 

I can't resist to say...... "Yeah.. right… brian-epsteinbrian-epsteinbrian-epstein"

Here comes the sun….. Scoobie-doobie……

Something in the way she moves…..attracts me like a cauliflower…

Bop. Bop, cat bop. Go, Johnny, Go.

Beware of Darkness… 

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As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

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29 November 2010 - 8.09pm

Sunii said:

OHHH YOOKKKKO! My love will turn you on...a-hard-days-night-john-5

Sorry I had a little moment there.....a-hard-days-night-paul-2

 

Anyways, about Yoko. I know a lot of Beatles fans that DO NOT LIKE HER AT ALL. I, personally, am a fan of her. She was John's wifey, mother of his child, and she influenced John a great deal.

I really have nothing more to say about this woman.....but I want to hear your comments:) So spill!a-hard-days-night-paul-8


At this juncture, I really have nothing bad to say about Yoko Ono. She's a bit of an odd person and made odd demands while in the studio with the Beatles, but it sounds to me that a lot of people who criticize her go the xenophobic, misogynistic route. You can hate her all you want, but you have to have valid reasons to do so.

Someone remarked above how they didn't think the question "Why are you still living in the Dakota?" was neither racist nor sexist, and while I don't see the racism in it, I can see the sexism, where the reporter is pretty much asking her how can she be so "cold-blooded" and live there. She's saying if she were a man, no one would question her choice to stay, and she could be right. 

She was a factor in the break-up not the cause. She, on top of Brian Epstein's death, on top of the India trip, on top of George getting more tired of his songs being set on the back burner, all had something to do with it.

"We are all a little weird and life's a little weird, and when we find someone whose weirdness is compatible with ours, we join up with them and fall in mutual weirdness and call it love." — Dr. Seuss

 

 

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29 November 2010 - 10.37pm

StarWisher said:

At this juncture, I really have nothing bad to say about Yoko Ono. She's a bit of an odd person and made odd demands while in the studio with the Beatles, but it sounds to me that a lot of people who criticize her go the xenophobic, misogynistic route. You can hate her all you want, but you have to have valid reasons to do so.
 

I don't hate her, she's just mhew to me. I mean, when I hear Woman I hear a beautiful John song, not that was dedicated to her. As a matter of fact, all the Beatles wives are like mhew to me. (The only exception might be Olivia).

 

If John loved her good for her. I dunno. I'm highly influenced by a book named The Inmortality by Milan Kundera, and I kind of see a parallel between Goethe and her lover, and John and Yoko. But that's just me. Fantastic book BTW. a-hard-days-night-paul-11

Here comes the sun….. Scoobie-doobie……

Something in the way she moves…..attracts me like a cauliflower…

Bop. Bop, cat bop. Go, Johnny, Go.

Beware of Darkness… 

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29 November 2010 - 10.44pm

mithveaen said:

StarWisher said:

At this juncture, I really have nothing bad to say about Yoko Ono. She's a bit of an odd person and made odd demands while in the studio with the Beatles, but it sounds to me that a lot of people who criticize her go the xenophobic, misogynistic route. You can hate her all you want, but you have to have valid reasons to do so.

I don't hate her, she's just mhew to me. I mean, when I hear Woman I hear a beautiful John song, not that was dedicated to her. As a matter of fact, all the Beatles wives are like mhew to me. (The only exception might be Olivia).

 

If John loved her good for her. I dunno. I'm highly influenced by a book named The Inmortality by Milan Kundera, and I kind of see a parallel between Goethe and her lover, and John and Yoko. But that's just me. Fantastic book BTW. a-hard-days-night-paul-11


Agh, that was totally not directed at you. More like the general nameless, faceless YouTube community. blue-meanie
Like I said, people can have valid reasons to not like her, but when they degenerate into ad hominem attacks, that is what I hate. Using racial and misogynistic slurs to express how they feel about her, that's what I hate.

"We are all a little weird and life's a little weird, and when we find someone whose weirdness is compatible with ours, we join up with them and fall in mutual weirdness and call it love." — Dr. Seuss

 

 

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29 November 2010 - 11.18pm

a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 Hey don't worry about it, I just answered the question  a-hard-days-night-ringo-13

 

I do feel bad for her with all those things people say though. I mean, she didn't kill anybody... she might have a temper yeah but people in show business have done worst things and they're considered heroes.

Here comes the sun….. Scoobie-doobie……

Something in the way she moves…..attracts me like a cauliflower…

Bop. Bop, cat bop. Go, Johnny, Go.

Beware of Darkness… 

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30 November 2010 - 1.27am

Mhew? a-hard-days-night-ringo-7

StarWisher said:

 

Someone remarked above how they didn't think the question "Why are you still living in the Dakota?" was neither racist nor sexist, and while I don't see the racism in it, I can see the sexism, where the reporter is pretty much asking her how can she be so "cold-blooded" and live there. She's saying if she were a man, no one would question her choice to stay, and she could be right. 


I can see that. But I would think it would be a bit odd for a man to stay.

Could you imagine the uproar if she tried to sell it?

Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo! So little time! So much to know!

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30 November 2010 - 2.02am

skye said:

Mhew? a-hard-days-night-ringo-7

StarWisher said:

 

Someone remarked above how they didn't think the question "Why are you still living in the Dakota?" was neither racist nor sexist, and while I don't see the racism in it, I can see the sexism, where the reporter is pretty much asking her how can she be so "cold-blooded" and live there. She's saying if she were a man, no one would question her choice to stay, and she could be right. 


I can see that. But I would think it would be a bit odd for a man to stay.

Could you imagine the uproar if she tried to sell it?


It might be weird for a man to stay in a home after seeing his partner be murdered in front of it, but there'd be plenty of "soldiering on" and "stiff upper lip" talk, as well.

I definitely CAN imagine what would happen if she tried to sell: she'd probably be accused of trying to profit off her husband's death, not showing enough reverence for it, etc. She just can't win. I'm with you, Skye, I'd probably have left first thing in the morning, as well.

"We are all a little weird and life's a little weird, and when we find someone whose weirdness is compatible with ours, we join up with them and fall in mutual weirdness and call it love." — Dr. Seuss

 

 

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30 November 2010 - 4.46am

Well let's not forget she has different ideas from us. After all, (and I'm saying this with the most profound respect) she's from another culture, right?

 

I'm not sure if I had been her I'd have left.

Here comes the sun….. Scoobie-doobie……

Something in the way she moves…..attracts me like a cauliflower…

Bop. Bop, cat bop. Go, Johnny, Go.

Beware of Darkness… 

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30 November 2010 - 7.23am

mithveaen said:

Well let's not forget she has different ideas from us. After all, (and I'm saying this with the most profound respect) she's from another culture, right?

 

I'm not sure if I had been her I'd have left.


Absolutely. There definitely is that to consider.

"We are all a little weird and life's a little weird, and when we find someone whose weirdness is compatible with ours, we join up with them and fall in mutual weirdness and call it love." — Dr. Seuss

 

 

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30 November 2010 - 10.38am

I don't think there was anything sexist or racist in what that reporter asked. Yoko Ono's been in the public eye long enough to know that journalists are (normally) paid to ask the questions that people would like answered, and it was a fair question (I speak as a trained journalist, FWIW).

I don't think it would be any less unusual if Lennon had decided to live there had Ono been gunned down outside, nor would it have been sexist or racist to have asked him. She was obviously upset by the question but her response was completely off the wall.

She shouted, "I think people say, 'Why are you still living on Dakota?' You know, I think it is a slightly racist remark, and maybe sexist, too. Because I'm sure that many people are living in their own home, that he or she shared with their spouses, even after the spouse has passed away. Especially because they passed away. Because there's a lot of memories, and also you built the place with the spouse. I'm not going to leave that and go to some strange house."

OK, that all makes sense to me. It's a personal choice and there's no right or wrong about someone else's decision.

She added, "Wait a second. I want to answer more fully about what he said, because that's sexist and racist. The thing is... when somebody like me, who is probably not part of your culture, how you think, 'Why she still living there? We wouldn't live there. Well, maybe because she has a different tradition and she doesn't care about the fact that he died there.' You know, something like that. A little bit more barbaric or something.

No, it was a question about a person living in the house outside which their husband was murdered. It's got nothing to do with her coming from a different culture. I think it's a huge leap of the imagination to think the reporter was saying "So, you're Japanese - is that why you're cold-blooded enough to stay in the Dakota?"

"The other thing is, for you to be able to say something like that, 'How dare she's living there?' (sic) is sexism, because I know that all guys wouldn't care... They would just live in the house, and no one's going to comment. No one's going to comment that you would go to maybe a whorehouse or something like that right after your wife died. 'I'm so sorry. He must be so sad.'"

If my wife was killed outside our house I would move at the earliest opportunity. Just saying.

I also find Ono's curious generalisations about men quite sexist in themselves. I'm sure bereaved men don't act with any less dignity than bereaved women.

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30 November 2010 - 5.16pm

anybody notice that all the songs Yoko picked SHE owns?

 

Could be a coincidence.

"She looks more like him than I do."

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30 November 2010 - 5.20pm

Consider this Yoko quote:

"Women have played a big role in the human race. We created it, actually, between our thighs." Sexist?

 

Now imagine if man had said, "Men have played a big role in the human race. We created it, actually, between our legs." no doubt that would be considered sexist.

 

I'm not anti-Yoko, but I know who she really is

"She looks more like him than I do."

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30 November 2010 - 6.54pm

Joe said:

"The other thing is, for you to be able to say something like that, 'How dare she's living there?' (sic) is sexism, because I know that all guys wouldn't care... They would just live in the house, and no one's going to comment. No one's going to comment that you would go to maybe a whorehouse or something like that right after your wife died. 'I'm so sorry. He must be so sad.'"

If my wife was killed outside our house I would move at the earliest opportunity. Just saying.

I also find Ono's curious generalisations about men quite sexist in themselves. I'm sure bereaved men don't act with any less dignity than bereaved women.


I see what you're saying here. She is digging a hole by saying "I know *all* guys wouldn't care...they would just live in the house." And yeah, the whorehouse is a bit much, to say the least. But while she is using the same brush she is being painted with, I do believe that society has taught men and women to deal with grief differently. So I do see the question as being sexist, even if it was unintentional.

But that's just my opinion. I KNOW I couldn't handle it. I'd definitely move (once I had the money. Obviously, I'm coming from a different space than Yoko was).

"We are all a little weird and life's a little weird, and when we find someone whose weirdness is compatible with ours, we join up with them and fall in mutual weirdness and call it love." — Dr. Seuss

 

 

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4 December 2010 - 3.30am

YO HEDI01, I'M HAPPY FOR YA'LL, AND IMMA LETCHOO FINISH, BUT THAT NIGERIAN PRINCE HAD ONE OF THE BEST SPAMS OF ALL TIME. OF ALL TIME!

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4 December 2010 - 3.49am

I guess the math isn't working. a-hard-days-night-john-7

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4 December 2010 - 3.50am

Yup... I googled Hedi01, and they've been spamming heaps of other websites too, of all different kinds. I guess one positive is that this means the site is becoming big now.

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4 December 2010 - 3.53am

The price of success. a-hard-days-night-paul-1

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4 December 2010 - 3.55am

Can you zap their IP?

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skye
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4 December 2010 - 3.58am

I pretty sure that's something only Joe can do.

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