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mr. Sun king coming together
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4 March 2011 - 11.10pm

Her most recent stuff is there, but none of Her 70's solo work.

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

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5 March 2011 - 10.58pm

The author of a column in a news service site from my country titled his today's column "All the blame is on Yoko Ono" to explain how easily we point fingers on people to blame them for all the bad things that happen, without thinking twice, regarding the so-called censorship of the documentary "Presunto Culpable". After reading the column, the title is just perfect.

He got the name from this song. It's not offensive at all, it's quite sarcastic, because they repeat and repeat that line, in a very obtuse manner. 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....od_cbUr6Yg

 

edit : This is an article about the censored movie. http://latimesblogs.latimes.co.....sored.html

 

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mr. Sun king coming together
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5 March 2011 - 11.29pm

Yoko was, and remains, the easiest answer the the Breakup. Not true, but the easiest to handle.

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

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vonbontee
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7 March 2011 - 4.56am

mr. Sun king coming together said:

Her most recent stuff is there, but none of Her 70's solo work.


Ah, that makes sense. Those 70s albums were all out of print and basically unavailable for like 20 years before 1992's 6-CD Onobox reissued most of them.

I remember George saying 'Blimey, he's always talking about “Yesterday”, you'd think he was Beethoven or somebody' - Paul McCartney

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mr. Sun king coming together
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7 March 2011 - 12.26pm

And then they got properly rereleased in 1997.

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

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19 March 2011 - 5.10am

Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo! So little time! So much to know!

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19 March 2011 - 5.50am

I will admit that Yoko does have a unique style that I like. I like her wedding outfit.

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Velvet Hand
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19 December 2012 - 12.06pm

No-one's posted here for a while now, but I've been searching for comments on Yoko's early albums (basically the ones with which John was involved, and later Ringo too) and am surprised that there don't seem to be any threads dedicated to them specifically (please do correct me if I'm wrong) - to me, they're such an important part of John's/the Beatles' story.

Also, I love much of the music - not sure what to make of Two Virgins (most of the time I simply find it hilarious in a good way), but I think that Cambridge 1969, the Yoko side of Live Peace, Live Jam, her b-sides to John's singles and especially her Plastic Ono Band and Fly albums are just great all the way through, and I still listen to them regularly today. Could have to do with my being a Lennon fanatic in my teens, but even now that I (hope to) have a more balanced view of what John may have/may not have been like, I think they stand out. My favourites of hers are probably "Greenfield Morning", "Paper Shoes", and the Joe Jones Tone Deaf Music Co. side of Fly.

I'm not a great fan of Yoko's music after she completely abandoned the non-conventional song structures and instrumentation (ca. Some Time in NYC onwards) - in fact, I find Approximately Infinite Universe near-unlistenable, which is largely because of the very "of their time" lyrics and the almost total lack of "independent" melody (which is what I think this kind of "soft rock" calls for).

I'd love to read others' thoughts on Yoko's actual records... Anyone?

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19 December 2012 - 1.03pm

Dont go anywhere near them. I find it discomforting having to listen to Yoko on Bungalow Bill and Happy Xmas so no chance im listening to her albums nor yelping, tons of feedback and weird noises. Im happy with Revolution 9 so i'll leave it there and live in listening bliss. If i feel dangerous i'll stick on Mary Jane.

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris) 

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19 December 2012 - 3.54pm

There aren't many of us at this site, Velvet Hand, but my tastes in Yokomusic match yours pretty closely! I think most of what she did between 1969 and '71, including "Cambridge 1969" and the side of "Live Peace" where she does her thing all over us is pretty great for what it is, and to this day I probably play her "Plastic Ono Band" album more than John's. And I'm likewise not crazy about much of her conventional music from AIU forwards, even though admittedly I haven't heard all of it. The only relatively recent Ono I've heard was the title track from 1995's "Rising" LP - pretty decent vocal histrionics, but disappointing backing. I was expecting something like Sonic Youth, rather than thirteen minutes of bongos and Sean listlessly strumming two or three chords.

I remember George saying 'Blimey, he's always talking about “Yesterday”, you'd think he was Beethoven or somebody' - Paul McCartney

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19 December 2012 - 5.50pm

I am not a fan of her screaming except in one song. The song is on the Plastic Ono band album and I cannot tell when her screaming stops, and when John's guitar begins. I forgot the name of it.yoko-ono_01

"The world is a very serious and, at times, very sad place - but at other times it is all such a joke."-George Harrison

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19 December 2012 - 7.15pm

That sounds like either "Why" or "Why Not". (First one is fast, second is slow and bluesy.)

I remember George saying 'Blimey, he's always talking about “Yesterday”, you'd think he was Beethoven or somebody' - Paul McCartney

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19 December 2012 - 7.53pm

meanmistermustard said
Dont go anywhere near them. I find it discomforting having to listen to Yoko on Bungalow Bill and Happy Xmas so no chance im listening to her albums nor yelping, tons of feedback and weird noises. Im happy with Revolution 9 so i'll leave it there and live in listening bliss. If i feel dangerous i'll stick on Mary Jane.

I love Yoko's voice on "Bungalow Bill".  It's a delightful bit of spice to the song.

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19 December 2012 - 7.57pm

I think it's Why. From the 1970 Rolling Stone interview (Lennon Remembers):

Nobody knows there is a point on the first song on Yoko’s track where the guitar comes in and even Yoko thought it was her voice, because we did all Yoko’s in one night, the whole session. Except for the track with Ornette Coleman from the past that we put on to show people that she wasn’t discovered by the Beatles and that she’s been around a few years. We got stuff of her with Cage, Ornette Coleman… we are going to put out “Oldies But Goldies” next for Yoko. I’ll play it again and talk about it later.

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19 December 2012 - 8.13pm

Velvet Hand recommended "Paper Shoes".  I just gave a listen; never heard it before.  I appreciate the novelty of it, but musically it's kind of cheating, unless she meticulously scripted everything including the drums.  I mean, without that drum beat, the song would collapse.

Other than that, the song's mood and spirit suggests a musical statement she would/could/should have made in response to John's death.  The whole song sounds like the disorder of a soul in grief.  I have gotten the sense, however, that Yoko remains on one level in denial about her own grief over John.

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19 December 2012 - 8.20pm

Funny Paper said Other than that, the song's mood and spirit suggests a musical statement she would/could/should have made in response to John's death.  The whole song sounds like the disorder of a soul in grief.  I have gotten the sense, however, that Yoko remains on one level in denial about her own grief over John.

Denial, I say?  How dare I say that about someone else's horrible trauma of losing a loved one so horribly?  That's precisely my point.  A person NOT in denial says "God, I'm angry, this is fucked up, I hate the man, that monster, who took my love away from me.  FUCK HIM" she should SCREAM.  Instead, she affects a kind of transcendence. 

While transcendence of anger and grief is a noble thing, it's false unless you FIRST go through the angry shit, honestly and existentially.  Perhaps she already has, privately.  If so, I retract my judgment.

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19 December 2012 - 9.36pm

vonbontee said
There aren't many of us at this site, Velvet Hand, but my tastes in Yokomusic match yours pretty closely! I think most of what she did between 1969 and '71, including "Cambridge 1969" and the side of "Live Peace" where she does her thing all over us is pretty great for what it is, and to this day I probably play her "Plastic Ono Band" album more than John's.

Thank you - I needed to hear that! :-)  

I also felt that there wasn't much to "Rising" and what came afterwards - the original Plastic Ono stuff has a lot more "oomph" somehow...

And as for the drums on "Paper Shoes", Funny Paper - yes, you could argue that they "make" the track (same as on "Greenfield Morning" on the other side of the LP), but then they are Ringodrums. :-)

And isn't it weird that those 2 songs should sound more "spectorish" than John's POB album, even though Spector's not listed as producer on Yoko's record?

 

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20 December 2012 - 12.47am

Velvet Hand said

And as for the drums on "Paper Shoes", Funny Paper - yes, you could argue that they "make" the track (same as on "Greenfield Morning" on the other side of the LP), but then they are Ringodrums. :-)

 

I'm surprised that's Ringo (on "Paper Shoes").  I've never heard him do such a primitive African style drumming elsewhere.

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20 December 2012 - 1.21am

I recently tried to wrap my head around Yoko's albums, in the context of John's guitar and production.

I'm fairly open-minded, but I found the albums took far too much "work" to appreciate (for me).  I did a second experiment though...  I plugged in my vaporizer and got high and then gave a handful of tracks another shot.  

What I found was some really forward-thinking avant-garde experiences.

But that being said:  Good music can be enjoyed in any state of mind.  Challenging music is improved with mind-altering substances. 

My opinion only...  Yoko's music can be appreciated adequately with outside influences.  But it stops there.  It can't really be enjoyed on any level other than scholarly without using drugs, and that fails the "listenability" test with me.  Even old psychedelic-era Pink Floyd can be experienced straight.  It's far better high, mind you.  

But Yoko's stuff is just too obtuse for me.  I don't want to have to get baked in order to just slog through 40 minutes of music.

E is for 'Ergent'.

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20 December 2012 - 4.59am

Funny Paper said

Velvet Hand said
And as for the drums on "Paper Shoes", Funny Paper - yes, you could argue that they "make" the track (same as on "Greenfield Morning" on the other side of the LP), but then they are Ringodrums. :-)

 

I'm surprised that's Ringo (on "Paper Shoes").  I've never heard him do such a primitive African style drumming elsewhere.

I love that drumming - it's almost orchestral, like in "A Day In The Life"

I remember George saying 'Blimey, he's always talking about “Yesterday”, you'd think he was Beethoven or somebody' - Paul McCartney

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