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Which Beatles singing voice is your favorite?
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mithveaen
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13 September 2010 - 7.42pm

I'm going to say something, it might be stupid.

 

I understand Dr. Robert's opinion about Paul. Maybe he was more "dandy" and John was more "brutal" to make the songs more different and give them their unique touch. Don't you think guys??

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13 September 2010 - 8.07pm

paulsbass said:

mithveaen said:

I'm going to say something, it might be stupid.

 

I understand Dr. Robert's opinion about Paul. Maybe he was more "dandy" and John was more "brutal" to make the songs more different and give them their unique touch. Don't you think guys??


I absolutely agree that Paul COULD be "dandy" if he wanted to.

 

I can't imagine John doing "Your Mother Should Know", "Honey Pie" or "When I'm 64".

I just don't like it when he's reduced to that.


Well, John can't be just reduce to all brutal emotion. (Just like) Starting over is a good example that he could be dandy too. I always picture him with a tux dancing like in "Your Mother Should Know"
 

Ok, maybe Just like Starting Over is not dandy.. but how about Beautiful Boy?? He's quite sweet in that one. a-hard-days-night-john-2

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13 September 2010 - 9.00pm

I've got a question.

 

Which range of voice do John and Paul have? I mean they are baritons, bass, tenors.. etc...

 

(I know they're not tenors, I'm just asking)

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13 September 2010 - 10.43pm

Hm. Well, first of all, there's nary a moment of Beatle vocalizing in the whole catalog that I don't enjoy thoroughly. But George and Ringo clearly had limitations - Ringo was restricted to a kind of goofy lovable charm; and George didn't have the ability to really belt out the raucous rock 'n rollers. (Not that there's anything wrong with that, and anyways he was never really asked to do so.) So it comes down to John and Paul; and really, I don't think any band ever had a finer two singers.  But I gotta go with John as my ultimate favourite, for the unfair reason that Paul was so virtuosic, so able to switch effortlessly between the Little Richard screamers and the "Honey Pie" cutesiness, that it suggested that he was a mere mimic. When Paul sang "Why Don't We Do It In The Road?", especially, he sounded to me like he was trying to sound black, rather than finding his own white-soul voice. Unfairly or not, that's the impression I got sometimes.

Oh, and since this is the Beatles we're talking about here, it should go without saying that their ability to sing in harmony exponentially increased my enjoyment levels - in other words, the sum of John & Paul singing together was more than twice as good as either of them individually. And obviously the addition of George increased that even further.

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13 September 2010 - 10.48pm

vonbontee said:

Hm. Well, first of all, there's nary a moment of Beatle vocalizing in the whole catalog that I don't enjoy thoroughly. But George and Ringo clearly had limitations - Ringo was restricted to a kind of goofy lovable charm; and George didn't have the ability to really belt out the raucous rock 'n rollers. (Not that there's anything wrong with that, and anyways he was never really asked to do so.) 


I wouldn't really say that he didn't have the ability, he just didn't use it. There's some rock vocal in the first take of Something, and Old Brown Shoe.

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13 September 2010 - 11.47pm

I read Joe's article about "Plastic Ono Band" and I remembered the first time I listened this song... I was about 11 o 12, but I was shocked by John's voice and the pain you feel in it...


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13 September 2010 - 11.48pm

c64wood said:

My choice would be when a-hard-days-night-paul-2 and a-hard-days-night-john-7 harmonize and create that third voice.

 


I totally agree with that a-hard-days-night-ringo-8


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14 September 2010 - 7.30pm

paulsbass said:

I forgot to mention John best Beatle performance (imo).

That would be "Happiness Is A Warm Gun". It's all there.


That's a pretty good one, I've always enjoyed John's really honest songs though, right now I'm a Loser would have to be my favorite of his. I think that's why I've always liked John's voice a little bit more than Paul's, there's just more honesty in his voice and I'm more aware of the emotions he felt while singing or writing whatever song. I agree with vonbontee about Why Don't We Do It In The Road, it sort of seems like he's trying to be someone else, but he still sounds fantastic.

If you count solo stuff George would be my favorite, but Beatlewise John just had so many different styles that it would be almost impossible for him not to have my favorite voice of the four.

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14 September 2010 - 8.01pm

Yeah, I admit Paul's voice can be brutal (oh darling springs to mind) but it lacks the honest emotion John shows. It all seems a bit plastic soul (or should that be Rubber Soul).

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14 September 2010 - 10.35pm

paulsbass said:

DoctorRobert said:

Yeah, I admit Paul's voice can be brutal (oh darling springs to mind) but it lacks the honest emotion John shows. It all seems a bit plastic soul (or should that be Rubber Soul).


First: I LOVE your avatar! I could watch it for hours! Ok, after a few minutes you get a little dizzy...
 

I think Paul just never was as insecure and depressed and desperate as John. He's always been the ground-solid, controlled one and would never had let himself go down as John did.

He was always the happy and nice one, and while many critisize him for that, calling him dishonest or fake or false, I do like that attitude much better than any of this "everything sucks and goes to hell anyway, so f&%$ you..." attitude people like Kurt Cobain and also sometimes John showed.

People generally seem to think of depressed, "emotional" people as being cooler than happy people who are confident of themselves.

I don't agree to that. For me that's just weak, I don't like too much of that.

Paul could still do very emotional songs, but more in a distant, observing way (Eleanor Rigby, For No One). Personally I hear lots of emotion in "Hey Jude" or "Maybe I'm amazed".

"Oh darling" on the other hand would be an example of fake-emotions. He just did that one to scream, without real feeling. John would have done it better (just listen to that awful "Anthology" version where John is just fooling around and still sounds much better than Paul who just doesn't know yet how to master that song).

 

So while I acknowledge the fact that Paul almost never really opened up his inner soul I'm totally ok with that. I like his attitude and his vocal diversity which is unparalleled, imo.


Hmm, I think they both did a decent amount of "fake emotions" type songs, hell with the amount of songs both did in the course of 7 years it would be impossible for them not to do a few fake ones. The difference between John and Paul, to me, is 1st person versus 3rd person, it's fiction versus non-fiction. They both have their charms, but different people just like different things.

 I don't think John was always a depressed "emotional" person, but he was willing to let that aspect of his personality into his songwriting, whereas Paul really didn't and I really respect John for that. Despite his fame and fortune, he was still able to look at himself introspectively and tell the world what he thought of himself. Paul liked to mask his emotions behind characters or metaphors and there's nothing wrong with that, but I've always found it a bit harder to relate to.

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15 September 2010 - 1.12am

How many distinct voices would you say Paul has? I'm thinking about five: regular, Little Richard, romantic, silly, and emotional*, especially with the last two albums. I bet there are more, but I can't think of any.

*Which, when I'm thinking about it, makes those songs harder to listen to, because things had to have been pretty bad for him to show it.

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15 September 2010 - 5.32am

I've got a question...  Which range of voice do John and Paul have?

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15 September 2010 - 12.54pm

This is mentioned in Walter Everett's books - he explains the range each of them had. I think McCartney had the widest, followed by Lennon, Harrison and Starr. I'll try to look up the info (the Google Books previews seem to have been taken down).

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15 September 2010 - 7.42pm

Oh thanks Joe, take your time. I thought it was an easy question to answer sorry!! a-hard-days-night-ringo-6

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17 October 2010 - 12.56pm

Another thread reminded me about this. OK, here's the vocal ranges for Lennon, McCartney and Harrison, as heard on their recordings prior to 1964, according to Walter Everett's The Beatles As Musicians.

Forgive me if I get the terminology wrong – it's been a long time since I studied music theory and these days I can barely read a stave (I'm referring to this for the notes and numbers, as shown in the first picture). Bass clef > treble clef.

Lennon: C2 > G5

McCartney: Aflat2 > A5

Harrison: B2 > D5

The toppermost notes in each case are falsetto ones outside their preferred range. The highest notes in their most comfortable ranges are given as A4, D5 and G4 respectively.

If I could draw a stave here I'd do so – it would probably be more meaningful.

EDIT here's the Wikipedia image I was referring to in the letters/numbers above:

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17 October 2010 - 2.29pm

Here's something that will sort of help illustrate it (in Paul's case anyway)

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mithveaen
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17 October 2010 - 10.27pm

Thank you so much for the answer Joe. I think I got it a-hard-days-night-george-10

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Joe said:

Another thread reminded me about this. OK, here's the vocal ranges for Lennon, McCartney and Harrison, as heard on their recordings prior to 1964, according to Walter Everett's The Beatles As Musicians.

Forgive me if I get the terminology wrong – it's been a long time since I studied music theory and these days I can barely read a stave (I'm referring to this for the notes and numbers, as shown in the first picture). Bass clef > treble clef.

Lennon: C2 > G5

McCartney: Aflat2 > A5

Harrison: B2 > D5

The toppermost notes in each case are falsetto ones outside their preferred range. The highest notes in their most comfortable ranges are given as A4, D5 and G4 respectively.


Thank you for this information. So it's not true that Paul had the widest vocal range. It surprises me a bit. I like John's voice better but I always thought Paul would had the wider range.

 

Nevertheless I have a small correction: John could even reach Aflat5. He did so on "Don't Let me Down". An amazing performance.

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8 November 2010 - 10.21am

Yes, as I mentioned, those are the ranges as heard on record before 1964. It's not necessarily all the notes they could actually achieve either.

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29 November 2010 - 2.51am

i prefer george first even though he may not have volume followed by paul. john would be in 3rd and ringo last.

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