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Where do you draw the line between 1st gen and 2nd gen Beatles fan
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^ If an English lady emigrated to America they would be Gen 1, her children would be Gen 2. Could that also be a kind of generation?

Like Type 1 vs Type 2?

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Yes there is, there’s lots more types of 1st gen and 2nd gen things than just The Beatles, there’s 1st and 2nd gen for Elvis, Tom And Jerry, Universal Monsters, 1989 Batman, 1967 Spider Man, Godzilla, Nintendo Entertainment System, Ms. Pac Man, AC/DC, Candy Land, Parliament, Families, etc. You name it, there’s a 1st and 2nd gen for it.

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I mean two different types of Gen 1 and 2 for the same band.

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My maternal grandparents were both born in 1950 but neither of them were fans of The Beatles, though they do like some of their songs. My paternal grandparents were older when The Beatles came out and were not very interested. 

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Starr Shine? said
^ If an English lady emigrated to America they would be Gen 1, her children would be Gen 2. Could that also be a kind of generation?

Like Type 1 vs Type 2?  

Dictionaries define first generation as the first generation to be born in the country, not the person who moved to the country. 

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Just my opinion, @Starr Shine?, but I think there are many categories of each generation of fan.

For instance, you could have two people born in, let’s say, 1952, so that they’re both around 12 the year The Beatles descend on America.

Both are Beatles’ fans, both born in 1952, and so both 1st generation.

However, person A fell in love with them immediately they saw them on Ed Sullivan, while person B wasn’t at all impressed by the early Beatles, didn’t really pay any attention until they heard bits from Rubber Soul , and by Revolver  they were a Beatles fan. But still didn’t rate the early stuff.

I’d suggest that there are clear differences in the two experiences, which would create distinct groups among the 1st generation.

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Starr Shine? said
^ If an English lady emigrated to America they would be Gen 1, her children would be Gen 2. Could that also be a kind of generation?

Like Type 1 vs Type 2?  

They’d both be 1st gen. For example, one of my friends was born in 1962 and his father was born in 1942, while his mother was born in 1943 and I consider them all 1st gen fans, as all of them liked The Beatles back in the day.

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Just my opinion, @Starr Shine?, but I think there are many categories of each generation of fan.

For instance, you could have two people born in, let’s say, 1952, so that they’re both around 12 the year The Beatles descend on America.

Both are Beatles’ fans, both born in 1952, and so both 1st generation.

However, person A fell in love with them immediately they saw them on Ed Sullivan, while person B wasn’t at all impressed by the early Beatles, didn’t really pay any attention until they heard bits from Rubber Soul , and by Revolver  they were a Beatles fan. But still didn’t rate the early stuff.

I’d suggest that there are clear differences in the two experiences, which would create distinct groups among the 1st generation.  

I agree that there should be different tiers of 1st gen fans. For example, my father, who was born in 1939 and got into them when he heard them on their iconic debut Ed Sullivan Show appearance and my friend who was born in 1963 who didn’t care about them until his mother took him and his twin sister to see Yellow Submarine are 2 different fans, although you could say they’re both 1st gen fans.

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They’d both be 1st gen. For example, one of my friends was born in 1962 and his father was born in 1942, while his mother was born in 1943 and I consider them all 1st gen fans, as all of them liked The Beatles back in the day.  

Or if there is a family where no one is a fan of the Beatles until one kid becomes a fan, they could be first gen fan of their family and their kids are second gen fans. it can depend.

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Dictionaries define first generation as the first generation to be born in the country, not the person who moved to the country.   

Both terms are accepted.

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HMBeatlesfan said

They’d both be 1st gen. For example, one of my friends was born in 1962 and his father was born in 1942, while his mother was born in 1943 and I consider them all 1st gen fans, as all of them liked The Beatles back in the day.  

 
Or if there is a family where no one is a fan of the Beatles until one kid becomes a fan, they could be first gen fan of their family and their kids are second gen fans. it can depend.

I say that more than 1 family generation can be a 1st gen fan. For example, I consider me, my older brother, and my mother 1st gen fans.

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What generation fans would you consider me and my mom, @sgtpepper63 ?

I was born in 1997 but did not become a fan until 2009. My mother was born in 1976 but did not become a fan until I turned her onto The Beatles in 2010 or 2012. 

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What generation fans would you consider me and my mom, @sgtpepper63 ?

I was born in 1997 but did not become a fan until 2009. My mother was born in 1976 but did not become a fan until I turned her onto The Beatles in 2010 or 2012.   

This is easy, you and your mother would both be 2nd gen because you were both born after 1970 and neither of you got into The Beatles until after 1970. However, if it makes you feel better, I do consider your maternal grandparents 1st gen fans.

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I’ve got my older brother here, so I am going to let him post here, everything past this line will be from him:

It’s great to meet you, here’s my opinion on 1st gen, 2nd gen:

I say that if you liked The Beatles while they were still around, you’re a 1st gen fan but if you didn’t get into them until after 1970, you’re a 2nd gen fan. I was born in 1962 and have always liked The Beatles for as long as I can remember, so I am most certainly a 1st gen fan. My son was born in 1977 and is a 2nd gen fan because he didn’t get into The Beatles until the shift to internationalize the UK releases in 1987.

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I’m 1965 and STILL consider myself a 2nd gen. fan because my parents were teenagers / old enough to have it matter also were there when the group first hit in the U.S. and REMEMBER, vividly, ALL of it. 

 

Anyway, I really at this point, don’t think it even matters or is worthy of debate (just imo, debate away if you will) because if you’re a fan and love the band, you’re a fan and love the band. I just don’t feel the need to compartmentalize. 

 

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I’m 1965 and STILL consider myself a 2nd gen. fan because my parents were teenagers / old enough to have it matter also were there when the group first hit in the U.S. and REMEMBER, vividly, ALL of it. 

 

Anyway, I really at this point, don’t think it even matters or is worthy of debate (just imo, debate away if you will) because if you’re a fan and love the band, you’re a fan and love the band. I just don’t feel the need to compartmentalize. 

 

Carry on. john-lennon-salute_gifahdn_ringo_09  

I was born in 1967, so I have similar experiences to you in the sense that although I liked The Beatles when I was little, I am too young to remember it so I consider myself a 2nd gen fan, the same case with my friend Steve, who was born in 1968. I understand that there’s nothing wrong with being a 2nd gen fan, but it’s still fun to discuss.

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This is easy, you and your mother would both be 2nd gen because you were both born after 1970 and neither of you got into The Beatles until after 1970. However, if it makes you feel better, I do consider your maternal grandparents 1st gen fans.  

So are there only first and second generation fans or are there also third generation fans?

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Only 1st and 2nd gen as far as I’m concerned.

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Well, a “generation” is approximately 25 years; so one could distinguish people who were teenagers in the early 60s (born about 1945-50), then teenagers in the 70s-80s (do the math), then the teenager “Millennials”.  So that would be about three generations.  I situate myself in the middle group — I was too young to have caught the first wave of Beatlemania while it was going on, but I became aware of the Beatles as a “recent” thing (a few years before my teen years), and I investigated further.  The middle (second) generation had the advantage of being closer in time, but the disadvantage of being distracted by other music that was supposed to be hip unlike the past.  The third generation may have the advantage of a clean slate where they can consciously select the Beatles as a thing to try out (plus the advantage of new technology that makes it amazingly easy to sample all kinds of music — e.g., YouTube, etc.).

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Well, a “generation” is approximately 25 years; so one could distinguish people who were teenagers in the early 60s (born about 1945-50), then teenagers in the 70s-80s (do the math), then the teenager “Millennials”.  So that would be about three generations.  I situate myself in the middle group — I was too young to have caught the first wave of Beatlemania while it was going on, but I became aware of the Beatles as a “recent” thing (a few years before my teen years), and I investigated further.  The middle (second) generation had the advantage of being closer in time, but the disadvantage of being distracted by other music that was supposed to be hip unlike the past.  The third generation may have the advantage of a clean slate where they can consciously select the Beatles as a thing to try out (plus the advantage of new technology that makes it amazingly easy to sample all kinds of music — e.g., YouTube, etc.).  

So pretty much what you’re saying in a nutshell is that you were born in the 60’s and calling people born from 1945 up until about 1957 1st gen, people born from 1955 up until about 1977 2nd gen, and people born from 1975 up until about 1997 3rd gen. Am I getting this right or is this too confusing for even me.

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@sgtpepper63 said

So pretty much what you’re saying in a nutshell is that you were born in the 60’s and calling people born from 1945 up until about 1957 1st gen, people born from 1955 up until about 1977 2nd gen, and people born from 1975 up until about 1997 3rd gen. Am I getting this right or is this too confusing for even me.  

We can use @Pineapple Records’s rule to determine first gen people, but also consider people born before 1945 as fist gen.  Then if you were born of first gen parents(or parents that were born in that time period regardless weather or not they liked the Beatles), you’re a second gen fan.  If you were born of second gen parents(again regardless weather or not they they like the Beatles), then you’re a third gen fan. And etc.

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