Please consider registering
Guest
sp_LogInOut Log Insp_Registration Register
Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search
Forum Scope


Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
sp_Feed sp_TopicIcon
Where do you draw the line between 1st gen and 2nd gen Beatles fan
7 October 2016
5.43pm
Avatar
Starr Shine?
Waiting in the sky
Apple rooftop
Members
Forum Posts: 16105
Member Since:
1 November 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

William Shears Campbell said
Why is this such a big discussion point?  Considering that being a first or second gen fan is something that on can’t control, why does it matter?  

Because we must combat bagism at any cost and be put into labels.

The following people thank Starr Shine? for this post:

Expert Textpert, William Shears Campbell, pepperland

https://youtu.be/52nwiTs7bk8

Brainwashed by RadiantCowbells.

If you can't log in and can't use the forum go here and someone will help you out.

7 October 2016
5.48pm
Avatar
HMBeatlesfan
Kalamazoo, Seussville, USA
Candlestick Park
Guests
Forum Posts: 1115
Member Since:
23 July 2016
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

William Shears Campbell said
Why is this such a big discussion point?  Considering that being a first or second gen fan is something that on can’t control, why does it matter?  

Because it’s fun.

The following people thank HMBeatlesfan for this post:

William Shears Campbell

Maybe you should try posting more.

7 October 2016
5.51pm
Avatar
HMBeatlesfan
Kalamazoo, Seussville, USA
Candlestick Park
Guests
Forum Posts: 1115
Member Since:
23 July 2016
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

We should talk about other bands, such as Queen:

I say 1st gen fans for Queen end at 1974 because that’s the year their first album that had any success in the US came out, Sheer Heart Attack.

Maybe you should try posting more.

7 October 2016
5.54pm
Avatar
Ron Nasty
Apple rooftop
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 12534
Member Since:
17 December 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Though, just to be pedantic, it could be argued that the real first generation fans are those who saw them at The Cavern and in Hamburg, those that bought Love Me Do Please Please Me , etc, those that kept the Please Please Me  and With The Beatles LPs occupying Number One on the British album chart for a whole unbroken year.

Much of the discussion here is about the American fan experience, and the definition of what makes an American first generation fan.

May I be so bold as to suggest that the Americans were late to the party (as they so often are) and the real first generation fans are those that fell in love with them in Liverpool, Hamburg, the UK, Europe, Australia…

The following people thank Ron Nasty for this post:

Expert Textpert, Starr Shine?, sgtpepper63, Bongo

"I only said we were bigger than Rod... and now there's all this!" Ron Nasty

To @ Ron Nasty it's @ mja6758
The Beatles Bible 2020 non-Canon Poll Part One: 1958-1963 and Part Two: 1964-August 1966

7 October 2016
6.02pm
Avatar
Expert Textpert
In bed.
Apple rooftop
Members
Forum Posts: 5011
Member Since:
18 April 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

a-hard-days-night-george-10Come on, Ron, don’t you know there is no other country besides America?

The following people thank Expert Textpert for this post:

Starr Shine?, sgtpepper63

"If you're ever in the shit, grab my tit.” —Paul McCartney 

7 October 2016
6.09pm
Avatar
Starr Shine?
Waiting in the sky
Apple rooftop
Members
Forum Posts: 16105
Member Since:
1 November 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Expert Textpert said
a-hard-days-night-george-10Come on, Ron, don’t you know there is no other country besides America?  

dImage Enlarger

The following people thank Starr Shine? for this post:

natureaker, Expert Textpert, HMBeatlesfan

https://youtu.be/52nwiTs7bk8

Brainwashed by RadiantCowbells.

If you can't log in and can't use the forum go here and someone will help you out.

7 October 2016
6.32pm
Avatar
sgtpepper63
On a boat on a river with tangering trees and marmalade skies
Carnegie Hall
Guests
Forum Posts: 551
Member Since:
18 May 2016
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Ron Nasty said
Though, just to be pedantic, it could be argued that the real first generation fans are those who saw them at The Cavern and in Hamburg, those that bought Love Me Do Please Please Me , etc, those that kept the Please Please Me  and With The Beatles LPs occupying Number One on the British album chart for a whole unbroken year.

Much of the discussion here is about the American fan experience, and the definition of what makes an American first generation fan.

May I be so bold as to suggest that the Americans were late to the party (as they so often are) and the real first generation fans are those that fell in love with them in Liverpool, Hamburg, the UK, Europe, Australia…  

If we’re going down that path, the REAL REAL REAL 1st genners are the ones that knew The Beatles as The Quarrymen. You’re right about the US coming late to the party, as The Beatles weren’t that popular here until The Ed Sullivan Show performance in 1964, although my mom did know them from the She Loves You single in 1963, whereas in the UK, they got popular in 1962. It makes me wonder if you guys knew about Queen before Sheer Heart Attack and Killer Queen, as I don’t know anyone who knew about Queen’s first 2 albums when they first came out except for one of my older brother’s friends who was born in the UK in 1962 and moved to the US in 1979 and got into Queen with their song Seven Seas Of Rhye (although he never bothered buying the albums until Sheer Heart Attack).

7 October 2016
6.40pm
Avatar
sgtpepper63
On a boat on a river with tangering trees and marmalade skies
Carnegie Hall
Guests
Forum Posts: 551
Member Since:
18 May 2016
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Starr Shine? said

Expert Textpert said
a-hard-days-night-george-10Come on, Ron, don’t you know there is no other country besides America?  

dImage Enlarger

  

The land of the brave, free, superior measuring system, superior mixes of I Feel Fine and She’s A Woman with added reverb, and the NTSC video format instead of PAL. I think that Europe should switch to the Imperial measuring system and NTSC 60FPS video format.

The following people thank sgtpepper63 for this post:

Expert Textpert
8 October 2016
10.46am
Avatar
Bongo
Somewhere In Time
Candlestick Park
Members
Forum Posts: 1916
Member Since:
28 March 2014
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

The Land that Trump will soon sell off to China a-hard-days-night-paul-11

Starr Shine? said

Expert Textpert said
a-hard-days-night-george-10Come on, Ron, don’t you know there is no other country besides America?  

dImage Enlarger

  

  Screen-Shot-2022-10-04-at-7.52.07-PM.png   BEATLES Music gives me Eargasms!  apple01

8 October 2016
11.16am
Avatar
Little Piggy Dragonguy
Nowhere Land
Rishikesh
Members
Forum Posts: 4141
Member Since:
5 November 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

sgtpepper63 said

If we’re going down that path, the REAL REAL REAL 1st genners are the ones that knew The Beatles as The Quarrymen. 

FALSE. The Quarrymen are the Quarrymen – they are NOT The Beatles. The Beetles aren’t even The Beatles. 

All living things must abide by the laws of the shape they inhabit 

8 October 2016
2.56pm
Avatar
HMBeatlesfan
Kalamazoo, Seussville, USA
Candlestick Park
Guests
Forum Posts: 1115
Member Since:
23 July 2016
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Bongo said

dImage Enlarger

  

  lMcXD50LJQbwwhkxH24fCJhfREfZMvBu7Nbn7ObKvXf5N4K7l3wTuWv4f2voYg1pa8uwAAAAASUVORK5CYII=Image Enlarger

Maybe you should try posting more.

8 October 2016
3.22pm
Avatar
HMBeatlesfan
Kalamazoo, Seussville, USA
Candlestick Park
Guests
Forum Posts: 1115
Member Since:
23 July 2016
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

sgtpepper63 said 

It makes me wonder if you guys knew about Queen before Sheer Heart Attack and Killer Queen, as I don’t know anyone who knew about Queen’s first 2 albums when they first came out except for one of my older brother’s friends who was born in the UK in 1962 and moved to the US in 1979 and got into Queen with their song Seven Seas Of Rhye (although he never bothered buying the albums until Sheer Heart Attack).  

In my opinion, Sheer Heart Attack is their first US album, as I know no one who knew them before it either and I didn’t know about them until I checked the inner sleeve of Greatest Hits and saw 2 covers of albums I never heard of before. Before then I thought Keep Yourself Alive and Liar were live only tracks. One of my friends told me that in the UK, instead of having Footlongs at Subway and Quarter Pounders at McDonalds, they have Meterlongs and Quarter Liters, those damn lucky bastards get bigger food portions than us.

Maybe you should try posting more.

8 October 2016
6.22pm
Avatar
Ron Nasty
Apple rooftop
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 12534
Member Since:
17 December 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

@HMBeatlesfan said
We should talk about other bands, such as Queen:

I say 1st gen fans for Queen end at 1974 because that’s the year their first album that had any success in the US came out, Sheer Heart Attack.  

This thread is in the “Yesterday and Today” forum, the purpose of which is given in its subtitle, “Chat about any other business to do with The Beatles”.

How does trying to turn a discussion about 1st generation Beatles’ fans into a discussion about 1st generation Queen fit with “Chat about any other business to do with The Beatles”?

stay-on-topic

If you want to discuss other bands 1st generation fans you should create a new thread in the “All Together Now ” forum, which is the place for general discussion.

"I only said we were bigger than Rod... and now there's all this!" Ron Nasty

To @ Ron Nasty it's @ mja6758
The Beatles Bible 2020 non-Canon Poll Part One: 1958-1963 and Part Two: 1964-August 1966

8 October 2016
6.26pm
Avatar
Little Piggy Dragonguy
Nowhere Land
Rishikesh
Members
Forum Posts: 4141
Member Since:
5 November 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Ron Nasty said

If you want to discuss other bands 1st generation fans you should create a new thread in the “All Together Now ” forum, which is the place for general discussion.  

He did do that and the thread was locked

The following people thank Little Piggy Dragonguy for this post:

HMBeatlesfan, Starr Shine?

All living things must abide by the laws of the shape they inhabit 

9 October 2016
5.43am
Avatar
Ahhh Girl
sailing on a winedark open sea
Moderator

Moderators

Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 22213
Member Since:
20 August 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I finally had a look at that other thread. I reopened it and altered the title just a tad to keep the conversations going in the correct direction.

Sorry it took me so long to have a proper look at the thread @sgtpepper63.

The following people thank Ahhh Girl for this post:

sgtpepper63
9 October 2016
5.49am
Avatar
sgtpepper63
On a boat on a river with tangering trees and marmalade skies
Carnegie Hall
Guests
Forum Posts: 551
Member Since:
18 May 2016
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Ahhh Girl said
I finally had a look at that other thread. I reopened it and altered the title just a tad to keep the conversations going in the correct direction.

Sorry it took me so long to have a proper look at the thread @sgtpepper63.  

It’s fine, I just got home from work a half hour ago, so I’ll be looking for that thread.

The following people thank sgtpepper63 for this post:

Ahhh Girl
9 October 2016
9.13pm
Avatar
sgtpepper63
On a boat on a river with tangering trees and marmalade skies
Carnegie Hall
Guests
Forum Posts: 551
Member Since:
18 May 2016
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I asked my cousin today if he had any Beatles memories from while they were still around, and although he didn’t have any memories from 1969, he has a couple of Beatles memories from 1970, which means he is a 1st gen fan.

10 October 2016
6.33am
Avatar
Starr Shine?
Waiting in the sky
Apple rooftop
Members
Forum Posts: 16105
Member Since:
1 November 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

But was it before April 10th?

https://youtu.be/52nwiTs7bk8

Brainwashed by RadiantCowbells.

If you can't log in and can't use the forum go here and someone will help you out.

10 October 2016
7.06am
Avatar
sgtpepper63
On a boat on a river with tangering trees and marmalade skies
Carnegie Hall
Guests
Forum Posts: 551
Member Since:
18 May 2016
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Why does it matter what time of the year and if it really does matter, Let It Be was released on May 18th, the same month my cousin turned 3. If we’re saying first gen fan is someone old enough to remember The Beatles while they were still around, we should give them until the end of 1970. Although if you must know, one of the memories he said he had was listening to some Beatles songs on the radio while going to a restaurant with us for Easter, which landed on March 29th that year.

10 October 2016
7.47am
Avatar
Starr Shine?
Waiting in the sky
Apple rooftop
Members
Forum Posts: 16105
Member Since:
1 November 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
100sp_Permalink sp_Print

sgtpepper63 said
Why does it matter what time of the year and if it really does matter,

Because they weren’t together for all of it, if you can be a first gen fan after breakup, then everyone on this forum is a first gen fan.

But was he a fan when he first heard the Beatles?

The following people thank Starr Shine? for this post:

Little Piggy Dragonguy

https://youtu.be/52nwiTs7bk8

Brainwashed by RadiantCowbells.

If you can't log in and can't use the forum go here and someone will help you out.

Forum Timezone: Europe/London
Most Users Ever Online: 700
Currently Online:
Guest(s) 1
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)
Top Posters:
Starr Shine?: 16105
Ron Nasty: 12534
Zig: 9832
50yearslate: 8759
Necko: 8043
AppleScruffJunior: 7583
parlance: 7111
mr. Sun king coming together: 6402
Mr. Kite: 6147
trcanberra: 6064
Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 88
Members: 2859
Moderators: 5
Admins: 1
Forum Stats:
Groups: 3
Forums: 44
Topics: 5509
Posts: 380341
Newest Members:
frankc, viv@nelsontraining.co.uk, bornhairyman, frankkilmore123@gmail.com, onlyanorthernsong
Moderators: Joe: 5691, meanmistermustard: 24950, Ahhh Girl: 22213, Beatlebug: 18181, The Hole Got Fixed: 8410
Administrators: Joe: 5691