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Where do you draw the line between 1st gen and 2nd gen Beatles fan
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I voted yes, but I think you may be missing the point. Someone born too late to have memories of The Beatles being on TV or the radio before they broke up is not a first generation fan.

I was born in 1970. My earliest memory of The Beatles is probably from 1975. My earliest Elvis memories are from around 1973.  

I am confused, are you trying to say that someone who doesn’t have memories of The Beatles on TV aren’t 1st gen fans or did you mean for someone born too late, having memories of The Beatles being on TV or on the radio before they broke up is not a 1st gen fan.

Also, I never liked Elvis. My parents like Elvis, even though they still prefer The Beatles, even my father who was born in 1941.

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Long term memories start up around 3-4 years old. Someone born in 1965/6 would be the absolute earliest First Gen Beatles fan in terms of being able to remember the Beatles while they are active.  

I believe you mean latest.

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^Yep.

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I am confused, are you trying to say that someone who doesn’t have memories of The Beatles on TV aren’t 1st gen fans or did you mean for someone born too late, having memories of The Beatles being on TV or on the radio before they broke up is not a 1st gen fan.

Someone who doesn’t have memories of the Beatles pre-breakup are not First gen fans.

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It would probably be a stretch to say I was a first generation Elvis fan because I was only 7 when he died, but I was in fact rocking out to Hound Dog while Elvis was still performing it. So, I guess you could say I am a first generation Elvis fan. You couldn’t say the same of The Beatles.

When I say 1st gen fan, I think of being into them during their heyday. In the case of The Beatles, their entire career was their heyday. However, in the case of Elvis, his heyday ended around 1961, so I’d say 2nd gen starts at around 1957 or 1958.

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It would probably be a stretch to say I was a first generation Elvis fan because I was only 7 when he died, but I was in fact rocking out to Hound Dog while Elvis was still performing it. So, I guess you could say I am a first generation Elvis fan. You couldn’t say the same of The Beatles.

When I say 1st gen fan, I think of being into them during their heyday. In the case of The Beatles, their entire career was their heyday. However, in the case of Elvis, his heyday ended around 1961, so I’d say 2nd gen starts at around 1957 or 1958.  

LOL, I completely disagree with that. You are saying that the time window for being a first gen Elvis fan ends four years after he recorded his first song at Sun Studios.

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Now, if you call me a 2nd gen Elvis fan I won’t disagree with you. My father bought his RCA singles when he was in high school. I listened to them when I was in grade school.

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Long term memories start up around 3-4 years old. Someone born in 1965/6 would be the absolute earliest First Gen Beatles fan in terms of being able to remember the Beatles while they are active.  

I can remember a few things that happened when I was 2, so I’d say 1965-1967 are the absolute youngest 1st gen fans in terms of that.

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I can remember a few things that happened when I was 2, so I’d say 1965-1967 are the absolute youngest 1st gen fans in terms of that.  

You only say that because you were born in 1967.

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^Yep.

sgtpepper63 said

I am confused, are you trying to say that someone who doesn’t have memories of The Beatles on TV aren’t 1st gen fans or did you mean for someone born too late, having memories of The Beatles being on TV or on the radio before they broke up is not a 1st gen fan.

Someone who doesn’t have memories of the Beatles pre-breakup are not First gen fans.  

It depends how you think of it. If you think of it as people who liked it while it was still around, then no. However, if you think of it as someone who is old enough to remember it while it was still around, then yes.

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I am confused, are you trying to say that someone who doesn’t have memories of The Beatles on TV aren’t 1st gen fans or did you mean for someone born too late, having memories of The Beatles being on TV or on the radio before they broke up is not a 1st gen fan.

Also, I never liked Elvis. My parents like Elvis, even though they still prefer The Beatles, even my father who was born in 1941.  

I mean if you weren’t old enough to see them in concert or carry a lunch box to school, then seeing them on the TV or hearing their songs on the radio while they were still together will suffice to make you a first gen fan. 

If your first memory of them is after they broke up, you are definitely a second gen fan.

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It depends how you think of it. If you think of it as people who liked it while it was still around, then no. However, if you think of it as someone who is old enough to remember it while it was still around, then yes.  

If you didn’t like the music, or know that you liked it, or know what a fan was, then you were not a fan.

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LOL, I completely disagree with that. You are saying that the time window for being a first gen Elvis fan ends four years after he recorded his first song at Sun Studios.

This is a little contradicting, as didn’t you say that the time window for 1st gen Beatles fan ends 2 years BEFORE The Beatles hit it big at the Ed Sullivan Show (unless if you changed your mind on that statement, which is perfectly ok by me).

You only say that because you were born in 1967.

I was born in 1963, hence the name sgtpepper63. When I said I could remember stuff that happened when I was 2, I meant stuff that happened in 1965.

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in the case of Elvis, his heyday ended around 1961

This is not true. He was locked into his movie contracts after that for the duration of the 60’s, but he came back on the music scene in 1969 and was quite successful. In fact, Suspicious Minds knocked Come Together out of the # 1 spot on the charts. In the 70’s, he had multiple top ten hits on the country charts.

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LOL, I completely disagree with that. You are saying that the time window for being a first gen Elvis fan ends four years after he recorded his first song at Sun Studios.

This is a little contradicting, as didn’t you say that the time window for 1st gen Beatles fan ends 2 years BEFORE The Beatles hit it big at the Ed Sullivan Show (unless if you changed your mind on that statement, which is perfectly ok by me).

You only say that because you were born in 1967.

I was born in 1963, hence the name sgtpepper63. When I said I could remember stuff that happened when I was 2, I meant stuff that happened in 1965.  

Right, 63. 62 was Candy Leonard’s cutoff, which is why you said she wrote “bullshit.” I remember now.

Her argument was that you had to be of a certain age in order to know what you were experiencing and be part of it, which makes sense to me.

However, if you were old enough to hear the music and like it before 1969, there is an argument for that as well.

My problem with your argument, and your obsession with this topic, is that you are only going on and on about it because you didn’t make Candy Leonard’s 1962 cut-off.

So, I would have to say, in your case, whether you remember the music before 1969 or not, you are definitely a second gen fan.

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in the case of Elvis, his heyday ended around 1961

This is not true. He was locked into his movie contracts after that for the duration of the 60’s, but he came back on the music scene in 1969 and was quite successful. In fact, Suspicious Minds knocked Come Together out of the # 1 spot on the charts. In the 70’s, he had multiple top ten hits on the country charts.  

I was thinking of his original heyday, not his resurgence in the late 60’s, as when most people think of Elvis, they think of the 50’s. Same thing with The Rolling Stones, although someone born in 1972 might be old enough to remember Some Girls, I think of The Rolling Stones as a 60’s band and I use the same logic as I do with The Beatles to determine whether someone is a 1st or 2nd gen fan of the band.

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I think they picked 62 because of the fact that they would be 7 and that is a good age for meaningful memory keeping.

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I was thinking of his original heyday, not his resurgence in the late 60’s, as when most people think of Elvis, they think of the 50’s. Same thing with The Rolling Stones, although someone born in 1972 might be old enough to remember Some Girls, I think of The Rolling Stones as a 60’s band and I use the same logic as I do with The Beatles to determine whether someone is a 1st or 2nd gen fan of the band.  

To think of Elvis that way does a huge disservice to him and his career. In the time span you have created (1954 to 1958) he only put out his first two albums and his Christmas album. You are definitely not an Elvis fan if you think those albums are his best work.

That’s only four years of a twenty-three year career.

His voice developed and matured greatly in the 60’s.

He went on to record some of his best work in the 60’s and 70’s.

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LOL, I completely disagree with that. You are saying that the time window for being a first gen Elvis fan ends four years after he recorded his first song at Sun Studios.

This is a little contradicting, as didn’t you say that the time window for 1st gen Beatles fan ends 2 years BEFORE The Beatles hit it big at the Ed Sullivan Show (unless if you changed your mind on that statement, which is perfectly ok by me).

You only say that because you were born in 1967.

I was born in 1963, hence the name sgtpepper63. When I said I could remember stuff that happened when I was 2, I meant stuff that happened in 1965.  

Right, 63. 62 was Candy Leonard’s cutoff, which is why you said she wrote “bullshit.” I remember now.

Her argument was that you had to be of a certain age in order to know what you were experiencing and be part of it, which makes sense to me.

However, if you were old enough to hear the music and like it before 1969, there is an argument for that as well.

My problem with your argument, and your obsession with this topic, is that you are only going on and on about it because you didn’t make Candy Leonard’s 1962 cut-off.

So, I would have to say, in your case, whether you remember the music before 1969 or not, you are definitely a second gen fan.

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Personally, I could care less about what a book says and I just think this is a great topic. If she says 1962 is the cutoff date, then that’s her opinion. However, I think there is more than one answer to this question and it there isn’t a perfect “if you were born on 12/31/1961 at 11:59pm, then you’re a 1st gen fan, but if you were born on 1/1/1962 at 12:00am, then you were a 2nd gen fan” split. For example, someone born in 1960 might’ve been too young to have experienced The Beatles in the way someone born in 1950 experienced them, but they still enjoyed their music, got up to watch their TV show, listened to them on the radio, and sang along to their songs.

Overall, if you consider me a 2nd gen fan, go ahead, but I still consider myself a 1st gen fan, as I was old enough to hear and like the music before 1969 and also, what’s wrong with continuing an old thread.

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Here’s a new development…What if second gen fans are Faul fans, and first gen fans are Paul fans?

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To think of Elvis that way does a huge disservice to him and his career. In the time span you have created (1954 to 1958) he only put out his first two albums and his Christmas album. You are definitely not an Elvis fan if you think those albums are his best work.

That’s only four years of a twenty-three year career.

His voice developed and matured greatly in the 60’s.

He went on to record some of his best work in the 60’s and 70’s.  

To be fair, I am not the best source for Elvis questions, as I could care less about him and didn’t listen to a lot of it as a kid (every Now And Then , either one of my parents or one of my uncles would put on one of their records, but the family record player was mostly used for 60’s and 70’s rock, mainly The Beatles and The Beach Boys ).

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