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Where do you draw the line between 1st gen and 2nd gen Beatles fan
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I use two factors when drawing this line:

1. You must've liked The Beatles when they first came out

2. You must've been born no later than 1967

The reason I drop the ball so low yearwise is because my cousin who was born in 1967 liked the TV show, the Yellow Submarine movie, and even a handful of songs while the band was still around and also I was reading about Kurt Cobain, who was also born in 1967 and he was also into them when they first came out (not really into Nirvana, but he has one hell of a story to tell) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.....urt_Cobain. Also, I use the same guidelines on The Beatles solo career fans.

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Personally, I don't draw a line.

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C.R.A. said
Personally, I don't draw a line.  

Can you explain further. From what I'm getting, you'll can any Beatles fan 1st gen, let me explain:

1st gen: liking something when it first came out

2nd gen: liking something way after it came out

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1st generation: being the oldest of your oldest in your line of ancestry to be a fan

2nd generation: being a fan along with a parent

3rd generation: being a fan along with a parent and a grandparent related to the same parent 

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My mum is a Beatles fan, and so am I, so I suppose that makes me a 2nd generation Beatles fan. But I'm the bigger fan, so does that change anything?

But really, why discern between generations? I was born in 1978, but I am as big a fan - if not more so - than many people who were around in the 60's. Being labeled 'second generation' feels a bit like being less or something. A fan is a fan is a fan. We all love the lads here, that's what counts.

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Mademoiselle Kitty >^..^< said
My mum is a Beatles fan, and so am I, so I suppose that makes me a 2nd generation Beatles fan. But I'm the bigger fan, so does that change anything?

But really, why discern between generations? I was born in 1978, but I am as big a fan - if not more so - than many people who were around in the 60's. Being labeled 'second generation' feels a bit like being less or something. A fan is a fan is a fan. We all love the lads here, that's what counts.  

Don't feel bad, I consider my self a 2nd generation fan to a lot of stuff that I like (Looney Tunes, Tom And Jerry, Golden Age Superhero Comics, Universal Monsters). On the flipside, I like a lot of stuff that I was way above the age group for when it first came out (Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Batman The Animated Series, Power Rangers, Video Games). Just because you're a 2nd gen fan (or your 53 watching something aimed at 4 and 5 year olds) doesn't mean you're not a hardcore fan and vice versa.

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Little Piggy Dragonguy said
1st generation: being the oldest of your oldest in your line of ancestry to be a fan

2nd generation: being a fan along with a parent

3rd generation: being a fan along with a parent and a grandparent related to the same parent   

Yeah, I think I agree with this one more. 

My parents were alive when the Beatles were together, but they were too young to care about popular music at the time. When the Beatles broke up, my dad was eight and my mom was five. I still consider them first generation even though they didn't begin to care about popular music until the early-to-mid 70's. And I still consider myself second generation. 

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@Little Piggy Dragonguy

I respect your opinion, but there some serious flaws in it. For example, my mother was born in 1949 and Joe and Jack (me) were born in 1962 and 1963 respectively (I know she was very young when she had us, but let's not get carried away here) and all three of us were big into The Beatles when they first came out. I my mind, that would make us all 1st gen fans, however, according to you, me and Joe would be 2nd gen fans. To make matters more confusing, my mother first got into them from her mother, who bought her the She Loves You single because she thought that she would like it, which according to you makes my mother a 2nd gen fan and me and Joe 3rd gen fans.

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Necko said

Yeah, I think I agree with this one more. 

My parents were alive when the Beatles were together, but they were too young to care about popular music at the time. When the Beatles broke up, my dad was eight and my mom was five. I still consider them first generation even though they didn't begin to care about popular music until the early-to-mid 70's. And I still consider myself second generation.   

Did your parents at least like the TV show and or the Yellow Submarine movie when they first came out?

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To me, 1st Generation Beatles fans are the people who were there for the arrival, the "first wave", and Beatlemania. My mom for one. She watched them on Ed Sullivan and everything. She was born in 1944 so she was 19 when they arrived. My biological father was two years older than her and my stepdad was born in '51 so they all count.

I'm 50, and consider myself a 2nd Generation fan. This is because I was a year and a half away from being born when the band arrived in America, and I was five years old or so when they disbanded. So even though the music, THEY, have been there my whole life I wasn't there from the beginning, so I don't consider myself a First Generation fan. 

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To me, 1st Generation Beatles fans are the people who were there for the arrival, the "first wave", and Beatlemania. My mom for one. She watched them on Ed Sullivan and everything. She was born in 1944 so she was 19 when they arrived. My biological father was two years older than her and my stepdad was born in '51 so they all count.

I'm 50, and consider myself a 2nd Generation fan. This is because I was a year and a half away from being born when the band arrived in America, and I was three years old or so when they disbanded. So even though the music, THEY, have been there my whole life I wasn't there from the beginning, so I don't consider myself a First Generation fan.   

So what I'm getting from this is that you cut the line at February 9th, 1964. Also, considering you were born in 1966, did you like The Beatles when they were still around.

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sgtpepper63 said

So what I'm getting from this is that you cut the line at February 9th, 1964. Also, considering you were born in 1966, did you like The Beatles when they were still around.  

No, just talking about here in America. Anybody who was there following the band before they hit it big here too would count.  And I was born in July 65. VERY young when they were still together as a band, so I knew the music and liked it but wasn't really "aware" like a fan would be. The love and fandom gradually came as I got older.

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So what I'm getting from this is that you cut the line at February 9th, 1964. Also, considering you were born in 1966, did you like The Beatles when they were still around.  

No, just talking about here in America. Anybody who was there following the band before they hit it big here too would count.  And I was born in July 65. VERY young when they were still together as a band, so I knew the music and liked it but wasn't really "aware" like a fan would be. The love and fandom gradually came as I got older.  

So in a sense you are a 1st gen fan, as you liked them when you were like 2. It kind of reminds me of my cousin, Bill, he was born in 1967 and I found out he liked The Beatles when he stopped crying when I put on Sgt. Pepper when he was about 2 months old, he also liked the TV show and his parents took him to see the Yellow Submarine movie after my mother told her older brother (his father) how much we (me and my older brother) enjoyed it. He really got into music with Queen when he was 7, but in the early 1980's he started to get into The Beatles again after John Lennon died.

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sgtpepper63 said

Did your parents at least like the TV show and or the Yellow Submarine movie when they first came out?  

To be honest, I don't know and have never asked. 

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Necko said

To be honest, I don't know and have never asked.   

Go for it, ask them.

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I'm not sure I understand your criteria. To me, a first generation Beatles fan is one who was fully aware of who the Beatles were, bought the records, saw the shows, etc..., from the very beginning - period. In the U.K., they would have been at The Cavern or attended a package tour headlined by Helen Shapiro, Roy Orbison and so on.  In The U.S., they would have swooned over the images broadcast on The Ed Sullivan Show or attended any one of the concerts when they returned to tour later that year or subsequent years. Hell, what about the folks who saw them perform in Hamburg?

I was born in 1963 and started loving The Beatles in February of 1968. By no means do I consider myself a first generation fan. 

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Little Piggy Dragonguy said
1st generation: being the oldest of your oldest in your line of ancestry to be a fan

2nd generation: being a fan along with a parent

3rd generation: being a fan along with a parent and a grandparent related to the same parent 

By that criteria, I'm 3rd generation-- it goes back to me very clean granddad. a-hard-days-night-paul-7

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To me, a first generation Beatles fan is one who was fully aware of who the Beatles were, bought the records, saw the shows, etc..., from the very beginning - period. In the U.K., they would have been at The Cavern or attended a package tour headlined by Helen Shapiro, Roy Orbison and so on.  In The U.S., they would have swooned over the images broadcast on The Ed Sullivan Show or attended any one of the concerts when they returned to tour later that year or subsequent years. Hell, what about the folks who saw them perform in Hamburg?

I was born in 1963 and started loving The Beatles in February of 1968. By no means do I consider myself a first generation fan. 

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I'm not sure I understand your criteria. To me, a first generation Beatles fan is one who was fully aware of who the Beatles were, bought the records, saw the shows, etc..., from the very beginning - period. In the U.K., they would have been at The Cavern or attended a package tour headlined by Helen Shapiro, Roy Orbison and so on.  In The U.S., they would have swooned over the images broadcast on The Ed Sullivan Show or attended any one of the concerts when they returned to tour later that year or subsequent years. Hell, what about the folks who saw them perform in Hamburg?

I was born in 1963 and started loving The Beatles in February of 1968. By no means do I consider myself a first generation fan.   

I respect your opinion, but to me, this sounds like rubbish. All of those people would obviously be first gen fans. When I think of a first gen fan, I think of someone who liked them when they first came out (whether casually or hardcore) whether they were 2 or 15. For example, my oldest son (born 1985) first really got into music with Nirvana (he liked my Heavy Metal vinyl/copied cassettes and The Beatles also, but this is what really got him in) when he was 6, so I took him on a 7 hour drive to see them live and he loved it. He was more at the right age when Green Day came out, but I consider him a 1st gen Nirvana fan as well. Another example is that I was talking to one of my friends born in 1966 who said he was a 2nd gen fan but was talking about seeing Yellow Submarine when it first came out and also watching the TV show and liking a couple of songs (most notably Hey Jude ), so I successfully convinced him into considering himself a 1st gen fan.

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I consider first Gen are people who were fans and remember the Beatles when they were around.

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I'm not sure I understand your criteria. To me, a first generation Beatles fan is one who was fully aware of who the Beatles were, bought the records, saw the shows, etc..., from the very beginning - period. In the U.K., they would have been at The Cavern or attended a package tour headlined by Helen Shapiro, Roy Orbison and so on.  In The U.S., they would have swooned over the images broadcast on The Ed Sullivan Show or attended any one of the concerts when they returned to tour later that year or subsequent years. Hell, what about the folks who saw them perform in Hamburg?

I was born in 1963 and started loving The Beatles in February of 1968. By no means do I consider myself a first generation fan.   

What got you into The Beatles anyways because there was nothing special that was released in February of 1968.

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