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When did the Ed Sullivan Show with the Beatles show in Australia in 1964.
1 June 2022
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Was the Ed Sullivan Show broadcast in Australia and if so, was this appearance live or delayed??  Thanks all

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Welcome Yvette. I’m pretty sure that the Sullivan show was only broadcast in the United States. I don’t think it would have been as big a deal in Australia anyway because the Beatles were already well known there, including 1963 hit singles and rebroadcasts of UK pop shows.

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Welcome Yvette. I’m pretty sure that the Sullivan show was only broadcast in the United States…

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I didn’t realize that VB…

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Actually now that I think of it, I don’t know for a fact that Ed was shown throughout the country – I’m told it was a weekly staple in my mum’s household, she and her sisters witnessing the Beatles and Elvis and the Stones and all (and great-grandma supposedly liked Ed himself), but they would’ve received the U.S. transmission from the nearby Detroit airwaves whether or not any Canadian network carried the program.

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That’s cool VB, kind of like Pirate Radio in the UK. 

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Interesting way of thinking about it!

(Conversely, now I’m wondering how many border-adjacent young Americans’ first Beatles exposure might’ve been via Canadian radio waves in October-December 1963, when Beatlemania had taken root weeks ahead of the U.S.A.: Music journalist Richard Meltzer has written about a road trip he’d taken through upstate New York days after JFK’s assassination, radio tuned to Canadian airwaves – the American stations temporarily shunning all rock ‘n roll in a show of respect – and first discovering “She Loves You ” and the Beatles that way.)

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The Ed Sullivan Show was broadcast in Australia – on our ABC, the Australian Broadcasting Commission (now Corporation).

It would certainly not have been live but how long after the US broadcast it would have been I can’t tell you.

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They were certainly broadcast in Australia between their February 1964 US showings and June of that year, as I’ve seen them cited as being among those things that stirred up the interest ahead of their one and only Australian tour, which saw them flying in on 11 June.

Late March/early April appears to be a strong possibility as they appeared on the cover of the Australian TV Times on an issue that seems to be dated “March 28” (that’s how I read it, definitely “March 2-” but that second digit is hard to make out):

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But it is complicated as the UKs Thank Your Lucky Stars was also broadcast in Australia around the same time, meaning the cover could by TYLS related, but I think the Sullivan shows are more likely as news of them had travelled quickly, and the performances were live as opposed to the miming of TYLS.

Maybe one of our Australian Forumpudlians might be able to track down if there’s somewhere you can look up old Australian TV schedules.

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On a completely separate note, many years ago (increasingly ancient man, no longer part of the 54 club a-hard-days-night-paul-10), I spent a period of around 15 years (mid-80s to late 90s), back in the days of analogue, living in various places close to the 1956 Crystal Palace BBC TV and Radio Transmitting Tower, which broadcast the BBC signal to London. However, it was the tallest structure in London until the 1990s (still the eighth tallest), and those living close to it could also pick up adjacent regions, so as well as BBC London, we could also get BBC South-East, BBC South-West, BBC South, BBC Central… and though built for the BBC, it later started putting out the ITV and Channel 4 signal, and we could also pick up their regional variations.

So the idea of there being cross-border viewing and listening going on along the US/Canadian border areas wouldn’t surprise me. Remember The Beatles love of Radio Luxembourg in their teenage years, beaming out its powerful signal from central Europe. I’d spend a lot of time listening to it in my teens, along with the pirates like Caroline.

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I decided to check what day of the week 28 March was and it was a Saturday, which makes sense for a TV listings magazine (like TV Times) as they generally run from Saturday to Friday.

With the assumptions that that TV Times cover was published to mark the broadcast of their first Ed Sullivan appearance in Australia (it seems more likely than anything I can think to garner a front cover), and that Australia also broadcast it on Sunday, that would mean the 9 February was broadcast on 29 March, 7 weeks after the US broadcast, 16 February on 5 April, and 23 February (filmed 9 February) on 12 April.

Yes, lots of semi-educated guesswork, but a seven week lag seems reasonable to me as a physical copy of the tape would have needed to have been sent to ABC in Australia, and even nearly sixty years later, it still remains a long way away from lots of places because of the time it takes to get there.

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I decided to check what day of the week 28 March was and it was a Saturday, which makes sense for a TV listings magazine (like TV Times) as they generally run from Saturday to Friday.

With the assumptions that that TV Times cover was published to mark the broadcast of their first Ed Sullivan appearance in Australia (it seems more likely than anything I can think to garner a front cover), and that Australia also broadcast it on Sunday, that would mean the 9 February was broadcast on 29 March, 7 weeks after the US broadcast, 16 February on 5 April, and 23 February (filmed 9 February) on 12 April.

Yes, lots of semi-educated guesswork, but a seven week lag seems reasonable to me as a physical copy of the tape would have needed to have been sent to ABC in Australia, and even nearly sixty years later, it still remains a long way away from lots of places because of the time it takes to get there.

  

Reasonable assumptions except that the cover date was over a week ahead of the actual publication date which IIRC was on Tuesday. I have a lot of old TV Times magazines but sadly they don’t go back quite that far.

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Afraid I think you’ve called that wrong, @Mr. Moonlight. Yes, TV listings magazines are usually published on a Tuesday, but the date/dates on the cover are for when it takes over from the previous issue. For instance, the copy of the Radio Times, my listings magazine of choice, that I bought last Tuesday doesn’t have anywhere on the cover the day it came out, 7 June, it has the dates 11-17 June, signifying the dates it covers.

I have no problem with the idea that issue of the TV Times hit the shelves on 24 March, but the cover date would be 28 March, showing that was the edition for that week’s listings. Compare the cover date on any listings magazine and it’s the same as the first day the listings cover, unless Australia is stranger than I thought. a-hard-days-night-george-10

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Now I’m confused. What I meant to say was that the magazine was published before the date on the cover but I see now that my words were ambiguous at best.mccartney-shrug_01_gif

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