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Things Fake Beatles "fans" say
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I mean, the art is great and all, I know, I know, but that kind of ignorance of what it represents is, like, OFFENSIVE. It's like cultural appropriation of Pink Floyd fans. a-hard-days-night-paul-3

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Had a discussion today about music in general. I said music needs to get back to vocals and instruments. You either have a good voice and a good melody or you don’t. That’s why the Beatles music is so good - because they were. There was nowhere to hide, and they put themselves on full display. George spoke about modern music being computerise crap and he’s dead right. The other person didn’t agree of course, but these fake music fans aren’t all that bright. 

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Timothy said
Had a discussion today about music in general. I said music needs to get back to vocals and instruments. You either have a good voice and a good melody or you don’t. That’s why the Beatles music is so good - because they were. There was nowhere to hide, and they put themselves on full display. George spoke about modern music being computerise crap and he’s dead right. The other person didn’t agree of course, but these fake music fans aren’t all that bright. 

  

I'm sorry, but I completely disagree with this. You say that "music needs to get back to vocals and instruments" as if there is only one genre of music going at a time, or as if what is in the charts is the only music being released. There is plenty of music with a more traditional instrumental approach going today, just as there is plenty of electronic music or similar. Some of it is good, some of it is bad, but that line isn't drawn across whether it has instruments or not. Just because something is made on a computer doesn't mean it is bad. 

And I love George, but saying that modern music is "computerised crap" is an extremely ignorant and close minded outlook to have, and smacks of someone who makes no attempt to actually follow modern music. Based on the conversations I've had here, I would say I'm the BB member who follows new releases most closely, and I can honestly say that this is as exciting and original a time as any for music.

Also, I don't know what that person's arguments are, but calling them a fake music fan for not agreeing with what you said doesn't seem fair at all.

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To expand on my point, this video just about covers what I'm trying to say.

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I think, @QuarryMan, that what @Timothy meant was that the top 40 is almost always, if not completely, computerised. I agree with Timothy's musical tastes when he says that he doesn't like computerised music. 

Slightly different to the point in that video - he's talking about popular music (which ranges from the lowest of lo-fi in the fifties to whatever today is... highest of the highest of hi-fi?a-hard-days-night-john-6)

I like the sound of natural stuff. That's all.

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There's nothing wrong with personal sonic preferences, no two people have the same ears. There's a whole ton of both amazing and terrible music being performed and recorded in the world today (possibly more of both than at any time in history*) (*not proven by science)

Me, I mostly disagreed with the "melody and vocals" prioritizing. Or the notion of what a "good" voice is, and how a bad voice can be effectively used, and is a voice even necessary, etc.

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I would also like to add, as a very lyric-centered person, that an unfortunate amount of the popular music these days (again: some, not all) has incredibly generic, egocentric lyrics entirely based on the singer's wealth, privilege, and successful love life (and don't even get me started on the way vocals are preformed in most popular modern music. It sounds like the singer is choking to death). A lot of people expect me to like this kind of music, and get very annoyed when I don't. If they push it, I always tell them to go listen to All Things Must Pass all the way through, and rethink their entire lives (and musical taste). This scares most of them off. 

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I would also like to add, as a very lyric-centered person, that an unfortunate amount of the popular music these days (again: some, not all) has incredibly generic, egocentric lyrics entirely based on the singer's wealth, privilege, and successful love life (and don't even get me started on the way vocals are preformed in most popular modern music. It sounds like the singer is choking to death). 

  

Yes, this is a terrible trend. Rich celebrity culture and gossip is a boring, stupid thing to write endless songs about.

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I've grown up as a pop music fan, and I still am–That doesn't contradict to me learning from classic rock music. In fact, I don't think it's reasonable to reject today's music just because of "computerizing". When rock&roll was born, it was despised by lots of traditional pop fans who regarded it as utter noise. Today we laugh at their conservatism and shortsightedness, but don't many rock fans behave the same when faced with electronic music, etc.? There are good music and bad ones in every era, and we need to respect and learn before making judgements. 

I agree that today many songs on Billboard fall into the same pattern, but I'm aware that all great songwriters go through this process of development, e.g. the early Beatles. Time will tell–Let the new generation prove themselves.

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I think, @QuarryMan, that what @Timothy meant was that the top 40 is almost always, if not completely, computerised. I agree with Timothy's musical tastes when he says that he doesn't like computerised music. 

Slightly different to the point in that video - he's talking about popular music (which ranges from the lowest of lo-fi in the fifties to whatever today is... highest of the highest of hi-fi?a-hard-days-night-john-6)

I like the sound of natural stuff. That's all.

  

I knew good ol’ Holey would see things my way. 

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I guess, but the songs on the Billboard charts aren't the only music being released today. Plus, we now have the internet, so it's cheaper and easier than ever to seek out new music unlike the past where you were limited to what the radio was playing and your local record shop was selling. 

The reason I linked that video was the point he makes about looking at pop music from the past, since we look at it in a vacuum. There was plenty of awful music coming out in the past that was really popular, it's just that we don't remember it because it wasn't good enough to have any staying power. The result of that is that we look back on the 60s or 70s and only remember their very best music, so it's easy to make the assumption that it was all like that back then. 

As for whether music is made on computers or not, I think it's a matter of taste, but I agree with @ScarlettFieldsForever that it's no different from say, the Bob Dylan fans who cried and yelled 'Judas' when he started using an electric guitar. 

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@QuarryMan I salute thee. john-lennon-salute_gif One of my pet peeves is snobby classic rock fans -- I'm not pointing at anyone here, but you see them in YouTube comment sections and other Internetty places. Of course you're entitled to your taste and if classic rock is just your thing and you don't particularly care for other music, that's totally fine, I'm kinda the same way*, but don't judge something you don't know about/don't want to know about/don't like just because you don't like it. You know they don't know what they're talking about when they judge 'Modern Music' as if it's this monolith of garbage despite never really keeping up with it and realising that there's so much more than what's played on Top 40 radio, and the irony is that they view their own music wayyy out of context because it was pretty much THE EXACT SAME THING back then.

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Exactly. I think that The Beatles are pretty much the only time in the history of popular music when the biggest artist in the world also happened to be making the best music. Since then though, the situation has pretty much been the same: you have the majority of forgettable, commercial radio fodder dominating the charts, the occasional chart artist who makes music that will stand the test of time whilst also having hits (examples of this are anything from Bowie to New Order to Kanye West) and then all the underground or semi mainstream acts who usually tend to be making the most interesting music. 

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Exactly. I think that The Beatles are pretty much the only time in the history of popular music when the biggest artist in the world also happened to be making the best music. 

  

Well, PurplishRain and myself might be able to think of someone who hit that magical critical/creative/commercial crescendo for at least a year or so at the midpoint of the 80s! (Even though "Purple Rain " the film was pretty rub and definitely no AHDN ) And there may be a few others who managed the feat for a year or so - U2? Kanye? I'm not gonna do research on sales figures or chart positions to find out.

But to stay at the absolute top of those critical/commercial mountains for YEARS at a time - yeah, that's pretty unprecedented.

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Exactly. I think that The Beatles are pretty much the only time in the history of popular music when the biggest artist in the world also happened to be making the best music. 

  

Well, PurplishRain and myself might be able to think of someone who hit that magical critical/creative/commercial crescendo for at least a year or so at the midpoint of the 80s! (Even though "Purple Rain " the film was pretty rub and definitely no AHDN ) And there may be a few others who managed the feat for a year or so - U2? Kanye? I'm not gonna do research on sales figures or chart positions to find out.

But to stay at the absolute top of those critical/commercial mountains for YEARS at a time - yeah, that's pretty unprecedented.

  

I should've clarified that I meant the undisputed biggest artist in the world, since while these artists were (and are) huge in their own right, they had a lot more serious competition for their position than The Beatles ever did. 

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Hm, yeah, I guess MJ had his own claim to supremacy a year before. (And Stevie Wonder too, a decade earlier.) And yeah, maybe I've been a bit Prince-obsessed this week.

But in terms of the whole zeitgeist of the time - #1 album, and singles, critical hosannas, a successful tour and hit semi-autobiographical movie, many magazine covers and writeups - it really seemed at the time like he was at the absolute top of the musical game, period. (It didn't hurt that Michael Jackson's omnipresence receded a bit at this time, even as Thriller kept outselling everything in history. But Prince was a master of so many more disciplines than MJ anyways...)

But maybe I should take all this stuff to the appropriate thread, anyways, since it's unlocked...

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Today I was wearing my All Things Must Pass shirt, and one of classmates came up to me and told me she liked it. I asked her if she knew the album, and she said, "Oh, yeah, I've totally heard a song on that album! It's called All My Loving ." paul-mccartney-facepalm_gif Well, at least she associated George with The Beatles, right...?

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Today I was wearing my All Things Must Pass shirt, and one of classmates came up to me and told me she liked it. I asked her if she knew the album, and she said, "Oh, yeah, I've totally heard a song on that album! It's called All My Loving ." paul-mccartney-facepalm_gif Well, at least she associated George with The Beatles, right...?

  

So close... and yet... so far...

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Everyone's open to like the Beatles, of course, and they're open to say that they're fans, I suppose... but a couple of things do get me pretty mad...

1. "Who's George Harrison ?"

2. Q: What's your favorite album? A: "Hey Jude "

3. "Isn't Paul/Ringo dead?"

4. They're, like, that boy band from the 60's?

 

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2. Q: What's your favorite album? A: "Hey Jude "

Actually there is an album called Hey Jude ... it's not a British studio album but it does technically exist. Though I doubt most of this class of people would know that a-hard-days-night-john-3

As for the George-songs-being-credited-to-John-and-Paul thing, we can't forget the most infuriating one of all, when Frank Sinatra praised Lennon-McCartney for writing Something ... paul-mccartney-facepalm_gif

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