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RunForYourLife
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20 December 2012 - 5.23am

Which Beatles songs do you think had the most effect on the Monkees sound? Not necessarily direct inspiration (i.e. Paperback Writer/Last Train To Clarksville) but rather what "vibe" the Monkees (Or rather Boyce/Hart and the Wrecking Crew, if you're gonna be that way about it) were going for?

I nominate two...

"I'm Looking Through You"

"Run For Your Life"

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Another One
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20 December 2012 - 7.58am

Every time I listen to I Wanna Be Free (version 1) , it Reminds me of Blackbird .Though The Monkees work was written first in 1966 .

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22 December 2012 - 11.29pm

Hmm I should really start listening to them as I only know two or three songs.

Those album covers do sort of have the same vibe though.

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23 December 2012 - 9.17pm

I Wanna Be Free is the Monkees version of Yesterday.

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vonbontee
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29 October 2013 - 3.28pm

"Daily Nightly" has a spooky drone and a filtered vocal that's constantly interrupted by whooshing and bleeping electronic noises created by a newfangled Moog synthesizer (Monkees being supposedly the first rock band ever to record with a Moog) and is pretty clearly indebted to "Tomorrow Never Knows".
In fact, the Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn & Jones, Ltd. album is very much the Monkees' answer to Revolver, albeit a year late and not as adventurous or consistent.

But I don't really think there's any one Beatles song that the Monkees used as a template for their "sound". Just like the Beatles, the Monkees (and their producers) had many different approaches, trying whatever had been done successfully before by others. (And occasionally adding a minor innovation of their own, like the Moog.) The trouble was, Monkees didn't have a John-Paul-George & Ringo - more like a George, a Pete, and half a Paul.

I remember George saying 'Blimey, he's always talking about “Yesterday”, you'd think he was Beethoven or somebody' - Paul McCartney

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29 October 2013 - 3.43pm

vonbontee said
"Daily Nightly" has a spooky drone and a filtered vocal that's constantly interrupted by whooshing and bleeping electronic noises created by a newfangled Moog synthesizer (Monkees being supposedly the first rock band ever to record with a Moog) and is pretty clearly indebted to "Tomorrow Never Knows".
In fact, the Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn & Jones, Ltd. album is very much the Monkees' answer to Revolver, albeit a year late and not as adventurous or consistent.

But I don't really think there's any one Beatles song that the Monkees used as a template for their "sound". Just like the Beatles, the Monkees (and their producers) had many different approaches, trying whatever had been done successfully before by others. (And occasionally adding a minor innovation of their own, like the Moog.) The trouble was, Monkees didn't have a John-Paul-George & Ringo - more like a George, a Pete, and half a Paul.

I've listen to The Monkees most of my life like The Beatles, thanks to my mom, but like Vonbontee said, "I don't really think there's any one Beatles song that the Monkees used as a template for their 'sound'. Sure, they drawn inspiration from The Beatles, but there are not any songs from The Monkees that make me think "Now, is from The Beatles!". There are more bands from the 60s or even now that would make me think that than The Monkees would. 

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29 October 2013 - 3.49pm

The Monkees had a zany tune on their first album called "Gonna Buy Me A Dog." 

  This song might be considered the Monkees' answer to "You Know My Name (Look Up The Number), except it came before the Beatles song. Curiously, I met Micky Dolenz a few years ago in a bar, and I mentioned his lead vocal on "Gonna Buy Me A Dog." Micky looked at me politely but confused, and claimed he didn't remember such a song at all. So, I quickly changed the subject, filing that incident away as "convenient amnesia."

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3 May 2015 - 3.19am

The Monkees song Magnolia Simms reminds me of Honey Pie but MS pre dates HP.

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trcanberra
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3 May 2015 - 3.24am

For me it's more their TV show being inspired by A Hard Day's Night than musical influences.

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3 May 2015 - 9.53am

@vonbontee said
<big snip> The trouble was, Monkees didn't have a John-Paul-George & Ringo - more like a George, a Pete, and half a Paul.

Are you saying George isn't as brilliant as the other Beatles a-hard-days-night-john-7 or is it that the Monkees did have someone brilliant as George, but only him? 

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Necko
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3 May 2015 - 10.47am

Ah, the Pre-Fab Four.

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Silly Girl
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3 May 2015 - 11.39am

@Necko said
Ah, the Pre-Fab Four.

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3 May 2015 - 12.50pm

Silly Girl said

@vonbontee said
<big snip> The trouble was, Monkees didn't have a John-Paul-George & Ringo - more like a George, a Pete, and half a Paul.

 Are you saying George isn't as brilliant as the other Beatles a-hard-days-night-john-7 or is it that the Monkees did have someone brilliant as George, but only him? 

Yeah, I'm making a rough comparison of Mike Nesmith to George - he was the main songwriter among the four, and I estimate the total number of songs he wrote for them to be comparable to the number of George's Beatles songs. But I also don't believe George was up there with John/Paul. So, both of those things! (But I have to confess that I'm even less familiar with Nesmith's solo career than George's, so whaddo I know?)

Also, it's worth noting that "Last Train to Clarksville" sounds kinda like "Paperback Writer" but I don't know if it was directly influenced, unless it was written when the (slightly) earlier song was still on the charts. 

I remember George saying 'Blimey, he's always talking about “Yesterday”, you'd think he was Beethoven or somebody' - Paul McCartney

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3 May 2015 - 1.14pm

Silly Girl said

@vonbontee said
<big snip> The trouble was, Monkees didn't have a John-Paul-George & Ringo - more like a George, a Pete, and half a Paul.

Are you saying George isn't as brilliant as the other Beatles a-hard-days-night-john-7 or is it that the Monkees did have someone brilliant as George, but only him? 

Of course George was nowhere near as brilliant as Paul or John.  Obviously he wasn't included in the Lennon/McCartney song credits for a reason.

Do you think he was just as brilliant Silly Girl?  I don't, but think he was by far their best guitarist without a doubt.a-hard-days-night-george-10

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trcanberra
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3 May 2015 - 4.15pm

Bongo said

Silly Girl said

@vonbontee said
<big snip> The trouble was, Monkees didn't have a John-Paul-George & Ringo - more like a George, a Pete, and half a Paul.

Are you saying George isn't as brilliant as the other Beatles a-hard-days-night-john-7 or is it that the Monkees did have someone brilliant as George, but only him? 

Of course George was nowhere near as brilliant as Paul or John.  Obviously he wasn't included in the Lennon/McCartney song credits for a reason.

Do you think he was just as brilliant Silly Girl?  I don't, but think he was by far their best guitarist without a doubt.a-hard-days-night-george-10

He wasn't included partly because they didn't want to give him any money?

On Papa Nes - I was a big fan back in the day and saw him live in Brisbane one time; it was a great show.

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3 May 2015 - 5.06pm

If we are looking at influences then, apart from the TV show I already mentioned, film is another more likely influence. I suspect that Head was strongly influenced by Magical Mystery Tour - and is just as much of an indulgent, somewhat enjoyable, oddity and reflection of the times.

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3 May 2015 - 5.52pm

Yeah, I think "Head" is better than MMT. Even though it recycles the shrinking bit from "Help!"

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3 May 2015 - 6.39pm

Didn't Neil Diamond and other assorted songsters write for the Monkees…….Pleasant Valley Sunday was Carol King wasn't it? So I'm thinking it's only in production that the Monkees were perhaps made to sound at times like the Beatles.

 

For me they can stand alone. Some great songs and pretty good vocal performances. Of their time……a superb pastiche, or should that be parody of a four personality Boy Band.

 

And I'm sure you all know the answer to the Trivial Pursuits teaser……..'Which member of a popular sixties band appeared on the same bill as the Beatles first Ed Sullivan show' Knowing we are talking Monkees here makes that even easier to answer.

 

Anyway knaff as they were considered at the time by the music snobs…..I loved 'em and still have some of their songs on my beach walk playlists. 

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3 May 2015 - 6.45pm

"And I'm sure you all know the answer to the Trivial Pursuits teaser……..'Which member of a popular sixties band appeared on the same bill as the Beatles first Ed Sullivan show' Knowing we are talking Monkees here makes that even easier to answer."

I was just watching the DVD of those shows recently and noticed him in the Oliver! segment.

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3 May 2015 - 10.02pm

There are a couple of great Monkees trivia questions, another one being "What wild and extraordinary musician briefly opened for the Monkees on their tour?"

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