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The Beatles were Just a Dream.
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mr. Sun king coming together
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14 November 2010 - 8.49pm

The Beatlea gave not Guilty over 100 takes, 65 were given to Long Long Long and Something got millions of takes

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

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JET!
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14 November 2010 - 8.51pm

Okay. Maybe we've got some Georgie around in this house. I do have one "best of" Lennon album that maybe I should dig into. It has stuff like Imagine and Instant Karma and God in it, probably most of the "gems" my dad was talking about. Maybe I'll do that today. In the meantime, I should go tackle my liberalism paper...a-hard-days-night-paul-3

The sunshine bores the daylights outta me

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TheOneBeatleManiac
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15 November 2010 - 12.53am

Well when the controversy of ''Bigger than Jesus'' happened, America went against the comment that was interpreted out of context and make stop touring, also with the Philippines, that they started to play really bad, they we're tired, etcetera. I've read that George tried to leave the band after the tourings ended, but he couldn't. As all we know, George started to be bored when they got back to the studio for Pepper, His heart was still in India and he didn't want to work really, for him it was tiring and a bit boring doing Pepper.

I think that the reason that really really broke The Beatles was that trip to the Marahishi in March 1968. Before that, The Beatles were united.

When they got back for The White Album Sessions, all started to go down. John started to be more addicted to drugs and to be all the time with Yoko, Paul started to trying to be the leader of the band, Both of them were hestitant to George songs, and because of that, George was getting tired; I can't say really nothing of Ringo, although he was starting to write too, and also John & Paul were hestitant to his songs (Don't Pass Me By was written around early 1964; but he was just suffering the effects of the ego of the other three, and he just fell sick, and leaved the band for two weeks.

And later, George leaved because of the egos of the other two.

It was really a combination of egos and all started with Brian Epstein death, to the Marahishi, to tensions, to the end.

Let me take you down 'cause I'm going to...Strawberry Fields.

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Dear Prudence
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15 November 2010 - 12.55am

Lennon Legend. 'Nuff said.

Dear Prudence

Giving you quality -Facepalms- , since August 7, 2010.

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Dear Prudence
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15 November 2010 - 1.00am

Dear Prudence said:

Lennon Legend. 'Nuff said.


O my gosh. I just posted a reply to the wrong topic.  O.O  sorry everyone.a-hard-days-night-paul-3

Dear Prudence

Giving you quality -Facepalms- , since August 7, 2010.

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JET!
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15 November 2010 - 1.12am

Dear Prudence said:

Dear Prudence said:

Lennon Legend. 'Nuff said.


O my gosh. I just posted a reply to the wrong topic.  O.O  sorry everyone.a-hard-days-night-paul-3
 

We may forgive you, because your avatar is the cutest thing I've ever seen.

a-hard-days-night-ringo-8I like Don't Pass Me By! Took some getting used to but there's worse songs on the White Album. I had no idea it was written that early.

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15 November 2010 - 7.13am

Dear Prudence said:

Dear Prudence said:

Lennon Legend. 'Nuff said.


O my gosh. I just posted a reply to the wrong topic.  O.O  sorry everyone.a-hard-days-night-paul-3

I thought you were replying to Jet!  It makes sense - he (she?) was speaking about a Lennon best-of, after all

I remember George saying 'Blimey, he's always talking about “Yesterday”, you'd think he was Beethoven or somebody' - Paul McCartney

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15 November 2010 - 1.37pm

TheOneBeatleManiac said:

When they got back for The White Album Sessions, all started to go down. John started to be more addicted to drugs and to be all the time with Yoko...


I think the drug influence is an important point. I mean, to go from saying you're bigger than Jesus to claiming to be Christ Himself, something isn't right!

Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo! So little time! So much to know!

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JET!
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16 November 2010 - 12.47am

vonbontee said:

Dear Prudence said:

Dear Prudence said:

Lennon Legend. 'Nuff said.


O my gosh. I just posted a reply to the wrong topic.  O.O  sorry everyone.a-hard-days-night-paul-3
 

I thought you were replying to Jet!  It makes sense - he (she?) was speaking about a Lennon best-of, after all
 

She!

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MeanMrsMustard
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17 November 2010 - 10.15pm

skye said:

TheOneBeatleManiac said:

When they got back for The White Album Sessions, all started to go down. John started to be more addicted to drugs and to be all the time with Yoko...


I think the drug influence is an important point. I mean, to go from saying you're bigger than Jesus to claiming to be Christ Himself, something isn't right!
 

So he shrank?

If I seem to act unkind, it's only me, it's not my mind that is confusing things.

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mr. Sun king coming together
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10 December 2010 - 3.38am

His Common Sense did
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As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

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10 December 2010 - 4.35am

The boys were all great friends in the early years.  But human dynamics come into play eventually, especially when you have 3 of 4 being extremely talented guys, each of whom would have been the unquestioned leader of almost any other band.

Pick a band.  The Cars?  It was Ric Ocasek's band.  He wrote the songs and was the lead singer.  No dispute from the others.  They split up anyway.  Creedence Clearwater Revival?  John Fogerty...songwriter, lead singer, lead guitar.  They split up anyway. 

Few bands last.  There's just too much going on interpersonally, and then you add the money thing.  George was good but was absolutely inferior to John and Paul in the early years, as a singer and especially as a songwriter.  Those two wrote the songs that rocketed the band to the top.  By 1966, George was beginning to come into his own, but still wasn't as prolific as the others.  But in his eyes, he sees J & P dominating the albums and raking in huge sums of money as the songwriters.  Of course he's going to begin resenting the others.  It happens in every work environment.  Someone makes a little more than someone else and the resentment takes root.  There was no way he was going to continue with an allotment of 1 song per album side.

Anyway, the breakup was bitter, like most divorces, but time heals wounds.  After a few years, they were all on pretty good terms again.  And John and George no longer dissed the work of the Beatles.  As John said shortly before his death, "We were a f***ing great band."

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Zig
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10 December 2010 - 5.31pm

It's amazing how many of our threads address the breakup. A lot of great points were made on this one. The one just made by Mr_K about human dynamics is no exception.

By now, we've all heard the saying that "while everyone else was enjoying the 60's the Beatles were stuck in a hotel room". Expand that to stuck in the studio, in interviews, here, there, and everywhere. Think about your 3 closest friends. Imagine being with them non-stop everywhere you go for years and years and years. Sounds great at frst but after a while... It's just human nature to get sick of them after a while.

In the following excerpt of "Anthology" George talks about the 6 months prior to the Get Back sessions as being very happy ones for him. This was because he was away from the group; first producing a Jackie Lomax album and then hanging out with The Band and Bob Dylan in Woodstock. The latter part I feel had to be a total "180" from what he was experiencing with the Beatles. With The Band and Dylan it had to be non-stop fun, but without mobs of people trying to get at you. You could still come and go as you pleased. The Band themselves talked about their time living in Woodstock in the rockumentary The Last Waltz. Then, George went back to the boys to begin the Get Back project. Sheesh!!

To the fountain of perpetual mirth, Let it roll for all its worth.

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11 December 2010 - 12.57am

I actually don't think Dylan would have been too much fun during those times, I think George wrote Behind That Locked Door for Dylan during that time because he was so down. But I see your point Zig, I like how George named it the "winter of discontent" because that's what it was. I've always wondered about Let it Be because it's seen as Paul's fault, but at least he was trying to do something. Had it been left up to John or George, I think the band might not have recorded anything ever again.

But who knows, maybe if it would have been John that got the band together for the new project then maybe he would have been more motivated to actually bring something to the table musically. That's the problem with Let it Be, it was almost all Paul's project not because he wanted it to be but because he HAD to try and dominate the album because of how little John brought. All John brought was Yoko.

But then again, John's stuff was sort of being frowned upon by Paul and the other Beatles, or the new direction he was seeking with Yoko wasn't being approved of with Two Virgins and Revolution 9, so he probably would feel stifled by the others.

It's all too complicated!a-hard-days-night-ringo-14

I sat on a rug, biding my time, drinking her wine

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11 December 2010 - 1.12pm

Great points, Gnik

I agree, Dylan was down during that period; and obviously so was George. My point in bringing that up was that the "down" disappeared at "the big pink" in Woodstock for George and I would have to assume (dangerous!) the same thing happened for Dylan. Then, they both had to go back to whatever demons were waiting for them in real life. To the extreme, one can liken the end of that summer to one long day-after-Christmas. 

I know they had a lot of fun because it had been discussed by all parties involved. I may have been a bit optimistic, however, in describing it as non-stop.

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