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The Beatles vs The Rolling Stones
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In 1967……I had the fuzzy hair thing going on…You know the Don King just fallen down an elevator shaft look. I was 15 and my mate 2 years older and looked like Brian Jones. We'd hitched as far as we could across Europe and ended up in a place called 'Lido de jeselo' (sp) outside Venice. It was my first time abroad……..And I was loving it.

Being English had, since the year before been a badge of honour worn with pride and marked out by our fashions. No one in Europe could compare. We had ………The Beatles, World Cup, James Bond, Swinging London the Rolling Stones and girls in mini-skirts……..That adds up to just about everything that mattered thankyou!!

The sexy….. debonaire….. frog-eating…... garlic smelling…... floppy botterm-lipped…….. 'French-kissing' French…….would suspend their sense of superiority over, 'Les ros beefs' for the remainder of the 60's. Even the amazing super-cool, vesper riding, 'chow-baby' Italians were still styling themselves somewhere between Cliff Richard and Dean Martin. But the English and to a lesser extent American bands were all the rage in Italy and everywhere you went it was thrilling to see the joy 'our' songs were being received with.

I remember a crocodile of Italian school children spotting my embryonic 'Afro' from across the road, together with my mate's shoulder length locks, pointing excitedly at us and calling. "Beetle Rollin Stone!!"

We'd gone from stiff-upper-lipped……bowler-hated…..weedy blokes in American War films zeros….. to heroes……..Thanks to John….Paul….Mick and Keith. 

I was then and always will be a Beatles' man but I'm glad we had the Stones too…..And The Who, Eric Clapton…..Kinks……And Bobby Moore.

Didn't last of course but the music did.

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Keith Richards spoke about The Beatles and 'Pepper' in the latest Esquire magazine

I've been thinking about Rubber Soul, Revolver, Sgt. Pepper, and The White Album and listening to Beggars ?Banquet, Let It Bleed, Sticky Fingers, and Exile on Main St. Over the past 20 years, I've ?listened to that Stones stuff far more often.
No, I understand—the ?Beatles sounded great when they were the Beatles. But there's not a lot of roots in that music. I think they got carried away. Why not? If you're the Beatles in the '60s, you just get carried away—you forget what it is you wanted to do. You're starting to do Sgt. Pepper. Some people think it's a genius album, but I think it's a mishmash of rubbish, kind of like Satanic Majesties—"Oh, if you can make a load of shit, so can we." 

Despite being one answer amidst a number of questions and answers the title of the article is 'The ESQ&A: Keith Richards Explains Why Sgt. Pepper Was Rubbish'.

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I read this too........ Keith re-inventing history. Didn't he fall out of a tree a while back.......must have banged his head.!! Irritating.... But he's allowed his view. He's also allowed to make himself look ridiculous. Anything to get some interest in his new album.

However, this is a time when we could have done with John in particular and George too  for a pithy response. I'm not sure Paul does 'pith' Ringo might.

 

The Stones were great in their way........I'm not sure what they did 'Aftermath'.....but nothing was in The Beatles' class......Should have studied the masters closer Lads.

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What I find interesting that for a brief time in America, it was the Dave Clark Five that was the second most popular British group.  I remember in 1964-5 many Beatles vs. Dave Clark Five articles in teen magazines and other media of the era.  This was before the Rolling Stones started to gain notice.

The DC5 did not have as much talent as either the Beatles or the Stones.  They were unable to change with the times of the late 60s.  So when it became cool to be more psychedelic, their limited sound faded away.  Also, they were more of an American phenomenon.  I don't believe they were very popular in the UK.

I am guessing the DC5 were simply in the right place at the right time during the British Invasion riding the coat heels of the Beatles on Ed Sullivan.  Their early 60s hits sounded great and they were good performers. They had a similar clean cut image as our beloved Beatles.   But that was about it.  I recall Dave Clark being more noted as a businessman then a musician.

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I didn't know where else this would go, so I'm putting it here:

It has been speculated of how the Beatles (esp John) were really jealous of The Stones taking up the "bad boy" image that was theirs, and they were seen as this harmlessly cute beings. Isn't this way off the mark? When was their image absolutely harmless? Weren't the parents saying they were a menace to the society or some such thing? And what was the Rolling Stones image exactly when they were presented as "anti-Beatles"?? In that they were the bad boys or they were for those youngsters who didn't want to jump on the Beatles bandwagon? If they were bad boys, how were they seen as the bad boys? Because of their stage act? But didn't the Beatles not want to do all the dancing around and things? And John even made fun of Mick's "fag dancing". 

Most importantly, how were the Beatles seen as the good guys? People even then had this image about John being a little too callous and rude so much so that I heard an interview where they ask him about certain perceptions about him not caring about anything or anyone to which he says that he cares about himself and his family and that that allegation is absolutely wrong. In another interview he says that Paul could be just as cutting as him if he wanted to. And in the 1966 "bigger than Jesus" interview he says that people have an image of him and he isn't like that at all. 

If you listen to the Larry Kane interviews, some of them are about all of them clarifying that their actions are misunderstood and they didn't really want to be rude to the press, or they aren't rude to the fans and so on and so forth. 

So what exactly is the image that the Beatles were supposedly so jealous of?

 

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Brian tried to keep the Beatles image clean and wholesome and often would do deals with the press where they would keep the undesired stories out of the papers in exchange for access to the band, he also instructed them to not be too controversial in their comments. The first real time they went against such advice (i think) was when they commented on the Vietnam war

Q: "Would any of you care to comment on any aspect of the war in Vietnam?"

JOHN: "We don't like it."

Q: "Could you elaborate any?"

JOHN: "No. I've elaborated enough, you know. We just don't like it. We don't like war."

GEORGE: "It's, you know... It's just war is wrong, and it's obvious it's wrong. And that's all that needs to be said about it."

(applause)

PAUL: "We can elaborate in England." 

(New York City Press Conference - 22nd August 1966)

 

There was very little before then aside from John's "Bigger Than Jesus" comments which were said to a reporter friend and garnered no comment until taken out of context, printed in a US magazine, and then stirred up by individuals who more wanted to take and generate offence to give the Beatles a good kicking. They were marketed as clean cheeky chaps, The Stones on the other hand as the bad boys, but it was complete garbage. Here is a good article, some of which is quoted

....The mostly good-natured rivalry between the Beatles and the Stones had been ongoing for several years. Although the Beatles were more commercially successful, the two bands competed for radio airplay and record sales throughout the 1960s, and on both sides of the Atlantic teens defined themselves by whether they preferred the Beatles or the Stones. “If you truly loved pop music in the 1960s… there was no ducking the choice and no cop-out third option,” one writer remarked. “You could dance with them both,” but there could never be any doubt about which one you’d take home.

Much of this was by design. With their matching suits, mop-tops, and cheeky humor, the Beatles largely obscured their origins as working-class Liverpudlians; by contrast, under the influence of their wily manager, Andrew Loog Oldham, the Stones cultivated a decadent, outlaw image, even though they mostly hailed from the London suburbs. “The Beatles were thugs who were put across as nice blokes,” someone remarked, “and the Rolling Stones were gentlemen who were made into thugs by Andrew.”

Many in the media were quick to notice the two groups’ contrasting styles. When the Rolling Stones arrived in the United States, the first Associated Press (AP) report described them as “dirtier, streakier, and more disheveled than the Beatles.” Tom Wolfe put things more sharply: “The Beatles want to hold your hand,” he quipped, “but the Stones want to burn down your town.” Since these comparisons proved useful to everyone, both the bands and the journalists collaborated on the charade. In the early 1960s, Keith Richards remarked, “nobody took the music seriously. It was the image that counted, how to manipulate the press and dream up a few headlines.” Peter Jones, who wrote about both bands for theRecord Mirror, recalled being in a “difficult position” because he was expected to “gloss over” the Beatles’ tawdry indiscretions. “It was decreed that the Beatles should be portrayed as incredibly lovable, amiable fellows, and if one of them, without mentioning any names, wanted to have a short orgy with three girls in the bathroom, then I didn’t see it.”

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It seems to me that the Beatles might have "dressed nicer," but they still managed to get their points across. It was more subtle than blunt like the Rolling Stones. I personally wonder why it was necessary the Beatles adopt this persona. Perhaps they were a stepping stone to the Rolling Stones' own image.

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KaleidoscopeMusic said
It seems to me that the Beatles might have "dressed nicer," but they still managed to get their points across. It was more subtle than blunt like the Rolling Stones. I personally wonder why it was necessary the Beatles adopt this persona. Perhaps they were a stepping stone to the Rolling Stones' own image.

In my opinion since this could be complete nonsense - at the time when the Beatles entered the music scene everyone (or almost everyone) was clean cut and gave bland answers to dreary questions and was "nice". The Beatles were one, if not the first band to not follow the treadmill conveyor belt; they were themselves and didnt bow down and kiss the feet of whoever interviewed them and how they were treated. They opened the door to bands like the Stones to be more blunt and be able to be accepted as how they were marketed.

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No idea where else does this go, but 50 years of Rolling Stones! 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs.....aunch.html

Nice to see them happy & rocking! Esp. Keith 😉

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No idea where else does this go, but 50 years of Rolling Stones! 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs.....aunch.html

Nice to see them happy & rocking! Esp. Keith 😉

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meanmistermustard said 

In my opinion since this could be complete nonsense - at the time when the Beatles entered the music scene everyone (or almost everyone) was clean cut and gave bland answers to dreary questions and was "nice". The Beatles were one, if not the first band to not follow the treadmill conveyor belt; they were themselves and didnt bow down and kiss the feet of whoever interviewed them and how they were treated. They opened the door to bands like the Stones to be more blunt and be able to be accepted as how they were marketed.

 Safe to say the Beatles started the British Invasion!!!!!!!!!!!!!! a-hard-days-night-ringo-15

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Now, here's a good story I came across researching the Stones. I can't recall coming across anything in Beatles sources to collaborate this in any way.

As a thank-you to John and Paul for the gift of I Wanna Be Your Man, in around December 1963, among the first songs Mick and Keith wrote, they wrote one for The Beatles.

Give Me Your Hand (And I'll Hold It Tight), also known as I'll Hold Your Hand, an obvious response to the just released I Want To Hold Your Hand, the song is pretty dreadful.

However, after recording a demo of the song at Regent Sound Studios on either 7th or 9th December, they are said to have actually offered it to The Beatles, to which John and Paul responded they'd record it if the Stones recorded another one of theirs, The One After 909. It isn't beyond the bounds of possibility that this conversation took place as they were still recording covers at the time, so might have briefly considered doing Mick and Keith a favour. Fortunately nothing came of it.

The song would turn up on the b-side of a Teddy Green promotional disc put out by Piccadilly in March 1964. There is no evidence the single was ever actually released:

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^^^ A Stones version of One After 909 sounds like it would be pretty cool, actually. 

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Though a Beatles version of the awful Give Me Your Hand doesn't.

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They would probably have improved it

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It sounds like a parody of 60's music. Every cliche is there.

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