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The Beatles Split
10 April 2016
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It was 46 years ago today that Paul's interview with himself to publicise the McCartney album went public. Part of the his self-interview read:

Q: Are you planning a new album or single with the Beatles?
A: No.

Q: Is this album a rest away from the Beatles or the start of a solo career?
A: Time will tell. Being a solo album means it's "the start of a solo career..." and not being done with the Beatles means it's just a rest. So it's both.

Q: Is your break with the Beatles temporary or permanent, due to personal differences or musical ones?
A: Personal differences, business differences, musical differences, but most of all because I have a better time with my family. Temporary or permanent? I don't really know.

Q: Do you foresee a time when Lennon-McCartney becomes an active songwriting partnership again?
A: No.

The Beatles split was now seen as being confirmed, whether Paul intended it, and much to John's annoyance.

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I came across this fascinating footage on YT that claims to be a CBS Special Report on the split, but appears more like the raw footage for the CBS report. It starts, after some scene setting shots outside Apple, with fans being interviewed outside (in which Linda is blamed quite nastily for the split), followed by a long interview with Derek Taylor, then a reporter speaking to camera, followed by Mal and others surrounding Ringo as he leaves the offices (during which Ringo gives his hat to a fan!). It is well worth watching.

https://youtu.be/UEA-sQFONG4

If a mod can think of a better thread for this, feel free to move. I couldn't find one.

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The women are always blamed.  It might have complicated things more, but ultimately, it was a variety of issues, and the cracks started appearing when Brian died. 

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I think even before that when the Beatles became tired of the constant fame.

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It's interesting how the other Beatles reacted after the split. Neither of them seemed to "support" what Paul was saying, and in their immediate statements were pretty against it. I don't really know whether John meant it when he said "I want a divorce". He might have meant it then, but he probably saw that he could do his own thing, they all could, while still being The Beatles. I get that feeling after reading Doggett's book. Even George said something like it's pretty selfish of them to split up when they have a lot to give. 

It's funny how John called Paul the PR man coz I feel he is the most lousy  PR man I've ever seen.

 

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IT WAS YOKO. 

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gembo555 said
IT WAS YOKO. 

Twasn't. 

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IT WAS PAUL

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LoveUlikeGuitars said

It's funny how John called Paul the PR man coz I feel he is the most lousy  PR man I've ever seen.

It's probably more a statement about the other Beatles.

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Expert Textpert said
IT WAS PAUL

yoko-ono_01<that is the face of evil.

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gembo555 said

Expert Textpert said
IT WAS PAUL

yoko-ono_01<that is the face of evil.

I think she's kinda cute. 

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That interview with the guy with the mustache and the pink shirt is definitely the influence for that interview scene from The Rutles 

 

I think them breaking up in 1970 is a perfect ending to their story and really caps off the 60s. We can imagine what could've been if they had stuck together . . "it's better to burn out than fade away". What they did while they were together is as close to perfection at one's profession as anyone can make a claim to . . the prospect of them fading out into mediocrity would be like Floyd Mayweather coming back to boxing and losing his undefeated record because he didn't know when to quit. As it stands they're a band they're a band trapped in a time that they largely defined and will be known probably until the end of our civilization 

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If you were to lay the blame on any one person it would be Paul. That is why all three except Paul banded together and went with Klein. 

Also, Paul is the reason all of the other three decided at different times to leave the band. He was always trying to control how Ringo and George played their instruments, always jumping behind the drum set every chance he got, always claiming the A side of the singles.

What did Yoko do? She was just there.

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Expert Textpert said
IT WAS PAUL

And this video proves it

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRDgCX9PNPw

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If you were to lay the blame on any one person it would be Paul. That is why all three except Paul banded together and went with Klein. 

Also, Paul is the reason all of the other three decided at different times to leave the band. He was always trying to control how Ringo and George played their instruments, always jumping behind the drum set every chance he got, always claiming the A side of the singles.

What did Yoko do? She was just there.

I wouldn't lay it on one person or a single incident.

I'm sorry, whatever anyone says, Yoko was also part of the problem, just not the whole problem. And as far as I've heard, she didn't just sit there. She was an irritating presence to the other Beatles. Even if John wanted her there, she could have said no. But whatever.

Paul was no doubt childish when he so badly wanted to get his father-in-law to manage the band, and no wonder the others went with Klein. Couldn't they have just sat like bloody adults and try to consider another party to manage them? Everyone contributed to the breakup one way or the other, and they all acted childish at various times.

However, IT WAS MAUREEN! a-hard-days-night-george-9

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Yeah, I don't like pinning it on one singular event / person / whatever. As I said, it was a combination of things. That combo included Yoko, Paul, egos, creative differences, etc. 

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Thanks very much for posting the video, RN. I've always enjoyed hearing/reading Derek Taylor's words and was particularly struck by his attempt to define what The Beatles are/were starting at around 7:48. Ultimately at around 8:04 he referred to them as "an abstraction, a repository for many things". Regardless, as he said they were not just a pop group.

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It's interesting how the other Beatles reacted after the split. Neither of them seemed to "support" what Paul was saying, and in their immediate statements were pretty against it.

Whether they were really breaking up or not, they wanted nothing revealed to the press that would put a damper on the impending release of the Let It Be album and film. They would have been idiots to support Paul's message.

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1 - If you were to lay the blame on any one person it would be Paul. That is why all three except Paul banded together and went with Klein. 

2 -Also, Paul is the reason all of the other three decided at different times to leave the band. He was always trying to control how Ringo and George played their instruments, always jumping behind the drum set every chance he got, always claiming the A side of the singles.

3 - What did Yoko do? She was just there.

1 - The other three banded together because they were paranoid over the Eastman firm being their managers and Paul considered Klein to be a shyster, which he was ultimately discovered as being. You simply cannot lay all of that at Paul's door.

2 - I will give you some leash on this one as even Paul admitted to being a control freak, whether or not his ideas were best for the band. 

3 - While Yoko in no way deserves all the blame for the split as some are willing to lay at her feet, she is not innocent in all of this. To claim she was just there is giving her far too much leniency.

C'mon people, face it. The gasoline had been pooling for years. There were many who threw lit matches into that pool. To lay blame on one person is, at the very least, shortsighted.

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LoveUlikeGuitars said

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If you were to lay the blame on any one person it would be Paul. That is why all three except Paul banded together and went with Klein. 

Also, Paul is the reason all of the other three decided at different times to leave the band. He was always trying to control how Ringo and George played their instruments, always jumping behind the drum set every chance he got, always claiming the A side of the singles.

What did Yoko do? She was just there.

I wouldn't lay it on one person or a single incident.

I'm sorry, whatever anyone says, Yoko was also part of the problem, just not the whole problem. And as far as I've heard, she didn't just sit there. She was an irritating presence to the other Beatles. Even if John wanted her there, she could have said no. But whatever.

Paul was no doubt childish when he so badly wanted to get his father-in-law to manage the band, and no wonder the others went with Klein. Couldn't they have just sat like bloody adults and try to consider another party to manage them? Everyone contributed to the breakup one way or the other, and they all acted childish at various times.

However, IT WAS MAUREEN! a-hard-days-night-george-9

@LoveUlikeGuitars is right now that I think of it. While I still stand by my quote and say that Yoko was a big part of it, almost everyone had something to do with it. I think the only one that DIDN'T have something to do with it was Ringo.

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Yeah, I don't like pinning it on one singular event / person / whatever. As I said, it was a combination of things. That combo included Yoko, Paul, egos, creative differences, etc. 

A thing that I find often curiously unaccounted for is that they were living in Beatleland*. They were accustomed to doing what they wanted and getting what they wanted from others around them, and this is not a conducive environment to critical group thinking. Then you add the influences pulling them away from each other and it was just inevitable. When people say Yoko wasn't a passive influence, I don't see it as malevolent in anyway, she was just for John and she was assertive about it. I also think Linda was in her way, just not in front of the others. People grow up and away from each other, and in the unusual environment they existed in at the time, it's a miracle it didn't happen sooner.

* Princeland is something Prince's manager coined to explain his often odd interactions with other people ie so far in a world of his own that sometimes he needed mediated contact to say anything concrete.

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the music they released in 1970 in evident enough

let it be

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