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Rare Beatles Vinyl? (Mis-Prints, Miss-Pressings etc)
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So yesterday I bought a copy of the White Album and when I took it out to play it I noticed something very strange – normally you’d have Side A, Side B, Side C, Side D etc, on mine it would go Side A, side C, side b side d. It wasn’t just the label, because the songs from side c had been pressed on. I asked my friend and he said it was something about jukebox records or radio records….any ideas?

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Hard to say as I don’t know exactly which market’s pressing you have, however this certainly wasn’t unknown in the US (though I don’t know that it WAS with the US edition). However, as I was discussing with Wetroosa about Capitol’s The Beatles’ Story double album about that having the same side set-up.

Here is the explanation. Many record players of the time looked like this:

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With them you could load more than one record at a time. You could put multiple records onto them at a time. The main thought at the time was singles, but they just as well for albums. Once you started the player, the first disc would drop into place, the arm would lift across, and the record would play. At its end, the arm would lift off and go back to rest position, the second record would drop, and the arm would lift across to play the second disc. This would stop you having to get up every few minutes to change the record.

Double albums did not start emerging until the mid-60s (Bob Dylan – Blonde on Blonde). However, when they did, many markets, recognising these were the most common record players at the time, also recognised that the easiest way for someone to hear to the album, would be to have side 1 and 2 on different discs, allowing those to be listened to in order without the need to get up and turn them over, get up and turn them over, and get sides 3 and 4.

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11 October 2013
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That’s more clearer. Thanks!

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Of course, quite often the stacking and spinning caused the records to vary a little in speed with some very odd results.  I also didn’t like the way they crashed down onto the one below so very rarely used the ‘arm of doom’.

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We still use our old record player like the one you described, mja6758.

If the Beatles put anything out on reel-to-reel, we could still listen to them on our player.

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I have a handful of Beatle reel to reels but no means to play them. We should get together and have a listening party.

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meanmistermustard said
I have a handful of Beatle reel to reels but no means to play them. We should get together and have a listening party.

 

Do you have White Album on reel-to-reel? I’ve heard it, and you tak about messing with a good thing: “Eagle picks my eye, worm licks my bones” line is removed from “Yer Blues ,” “Glass Onion ” is missing a verse, and there is no “Can you take me back…” coda in “Cry Baby Cry .” It’s very disorienting to listen to.

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wetsroosa said

meanmistermustard said
I have a handful of Beatle reel to reels but no means to play them. We should get together and have a listening party.

 

Do you have White Album on reel-to-reel? I’ve heard it, and you tak about messing with a good thing: “Eagle picks my eye, worm licks my bones” line is removed from “Yer Blues ,” “Glass Onion ” is missing a verse, and there is no “Can you take me back…” coda in “Cry Baby Cry .” It’s very disorienting to listen to.

That’d be so cool. We could rent out a big meeting room somewhere and have a Fab Forum Members Only listening party. Well, you know, if Ringo or Paul wanted to attend, we could make exceptions for them if they aren’t members.

 

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cbatcu said

wetsroosa said

meanmistermustard said I have a handful of Beatle reel to reels but no means to play them. We should get together and have a listening party.

 
Do you have White Album on reel-to-reel? I’ve heard it, and you tak about messing with a good thing: “Eagle picks my eye, worm licks my bones” line is removed from “Yer Blues ,” “Glass Onion ” is missing a verse, and there is no “Can you take me back…” coda in “Cry Baby Cry .” It’s very disorienting to listen to.

That’d be so cool. We could rent out a big meeting room somewhere and have a Fab Forum Members Only listening party. Well, you know, if Ringo or Paul wanted to attend, we could make exceptions for them if they aren’t members.

 

 

wetsroosa. Yes. I got it in a second-half record shop in Glasgow with a handful of other reel-to-reel US albums and empty boxes for about £8 each (the empty boxes were half that – I had 4 others from when in Kilmarnock a few months earlier before costing £15 each so it seemed a bargain). As said I’ve never listened to any of them as I don’t have the means but they are pretty cool to have.

 

Cbatcu, We could invite Ringo and Paul and when they turn up we could get them to answer a few questions and then not let them leave until they give us their direct phone numbers and agreeing to letting us stay with them when we are in their neighbourhood.

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This is good information to know in case I buy a used record like this. I have The White Album , American version; however, it is labeled side A, side B, side C, and side D. I have record player thats a newer model, but its shaped to look like a old one. I often forget about the record players that could play/stack multiple records. I know some car stereos from the 90s had 6 disc cd player. Some you could put multiple disc in the cd slot, while other cars had this unit in the back of the car where you put the cds.   

 

The record player I have looks like this: 

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meanmistermustard said

cbatcu said

wetsroosa said

meanmistermustard said I have a handful of Beatle reel to reels but no means to play them. We should get together and have a listening party.

 
Do you have White Album on reel-to-reel? I’ve heard it, and you tak about messing with a good thing: “Eagle picks my eye, worm licks my bones” line is removed from “Yer Blues ,” “Glass Onion ” is missing a verse, and there is no “Can you take me back…” coda in “Cry Baby Cry .” It’s very disorienting to listen to.

That’d be so cool. We could rent out a big meeting room somewhere and have a Fab Forum Members Only listening party. Well, you know, if Ringo or Paul wanted to attend, we could make exceptions for them if they aren’t members.

 

 

wetsroosa. Yes. I got it in a second-half record shop in Glasgow with a handful of other reel-to-reel US albums and empty boxes for about £8 each (the empty boxes were half that – I had 4 others from when in Kilmarnock a few months earlier before costing £15 each so it seemed a bargain). As said I’ve never listened to any of them as I don’t have the means but they are pretty cool to have.

 

Cbatcu, We could invite Ringo and Paul and when they turn up we could get them to answer a few questions and then not let them leave until they give us their direct phone numbers and agreeing to letting us stay with them when we are in their neighbourhood.

Who knows, one of these day maybe the twain shall meet.

And to the idea of Ringo and Paul showing up: anyone got some ropes ready to tie them to their chairs? I don’t want to have to water board them, but we might get desperate. NOT!

 

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I don’t think Paul or Ringo are on the herbal smokes anymore or we could offer them a one or two if they stayed, maybe some humus and chickpeas would get them turning up instead.

 

Just had a look at my copy of The Beatle Story and that has side 1 backed by side 4 and then side 2 backed with side 3. Is yours the same mja?

 

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I just received my son’s bday present, an original uk release of Revolver.  I found this most excellent site for id-ing Beatles records, which most of you gurus are probably familiar with, thebeatlescollection.com (that link points to the Revolver section).  Anyway I found my record, it’s the variation b of the 2nd pressing.  Does anyone know much about the different pressings?

In the detailed description of the lp, the website says this about variation b:

“This vinyl was pressed on the EMI on old machines press. IT’S NOT CBS PRESSING as many people think! THIS IS EMI PRESSING! To date only three Beatles albums have been found in this variation and they’re A Hard Day’s Night, Rubber Soul and Revolver.”

Another site looks like it cutnpasted from that site and got it wrong.

Does this make it more valuable? less valuable? No difference?  Judging from the release dates of the different pressings, this would not be a particularly rare one.  However the variation b might be rare.  Hopefully my son won’t be selling it anytime soon, and the condition isn’t the greatest (lp, vg+; sleeve, g g+ really, so it’s not worth a lot), but I’d like to know as much as I can about it when I give it to him (so he knows how good of care to give it – obviously I will try to impress upon him that it needs the utmost care (despite its condition, in 30 years it will be in much better relative condition if he takes care of it) – no need to make it worse.

Also for you real experts, the inner sleeve is paper outside with some plastic inside, cellophane or whatever they used back then.  But the website (and some others that were less detailed) say the inner sleeve says “Patent Pending”.  Mine says:  Lower left – “British Patent No. 800613 & 973939”.  lower middle – “PLASTIC BAGS CAN BE DANGEROUS <newline> TO AVOID DANGER OF SUFFOCATION KEEP THIS BAG AWAY FROM BABIES AND CHILDREN”.  lower right – “20 MADE IN ENGLAND B. 1/0570.  The sleeve looks old, it is slightly yellowed.  Do you think someone slipped a bogus sleeve in somewhere, or does this ring a bell with any of you?  I don’t remember plastic bag warnings in the 60s, but then I was pretty young at the time a-hard-days-night-george-10

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Well the sleeve you have sounds as if it was patented by that point… That’s all I can tell you, whether that lines up with the other info or not I don’t know. That site should tell you everything though about how much it’s worth etc. I didn’t click the link yet but I think that’s the same site I used to help me figure out that I had a real original Introducing The Beatles on Vee Jay and it had cost info

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Nevermind I think that’s the link I showed you when you discussed this on the vinyl thread. Check out thebeatlesrarity.com there’s a collection section that talks all about the different pressings of the vinyls.

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Well the sleeve you have sounds as if it was patented by that point… That’s all I can tell you, whether that lines up with the other info or not I don’t know. That site should tell you everything though about how much it’s worth etc. I didn’t click the link yet but I think that’s the same site I used to help me figure out that I had a real original Introducing The Beatles on Vee Jay and it had cost info

None of the Revolver variations listed had a patented sleeve, and from what I can figure I have a fairly early one, so it shouldn’t have been copyrighted.   I sent the site owner an email, maybe he’ll answer it (or she).

I used the site you refer to, with prices, but the link I gave was to a page detailing a whole lot of labels, including every possible (it would seem) variation of Revolver pressings, and seemed authoritative, with clear pictures and descriptions.  Check that link if you didn’t, if it’s the site with the pictures and very detailed info you will like it I bet :)

 

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Matt Busby said

Mr. Kite said
Well the sleeve you have sounds as if it was patented by that point… That’s all I can tell you, whether that lines up with the other info or not I don’t know. That site should tell you everything though about how much it’s worth etc. I didn’t click the link yet but I think that’s the same site I used to help me figure out that I had a real original Introducing The Beatles on Vee Jay and it had cost info

None of the Revolver variations listed had a patented sleeve, and from what I can figure I have a fairly early one, so it shouldn’t have been copyrighted.   I sent the site owner an email, maybe he’ll answer it (or she).

I used the site you refer to, with prices, but the link I gave was to a page detailing a whole lot of labels, including every possible (it would seem) variation of Revolver pressings, and seemed authoritative, with clear pictures and descriptions.  Check that link if you didn’t, if it’s the site with the pictures and very detailed info you will like it I bet :)

 

It seems like a good site

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@Mr. Kite – I never did thank you for your help.  So thanks!

The guy replied and said he’d send me a patent pending sleeve, I said that would be good, but I haven’t heard back from him.  However, he’s not very communicative, and my lp did arrive as advertised, just took a full month to get to usa from uk.

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You’re welcome @Matt Busby! He’s nice to be sending you a historically accurate sleeve. 

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I (well actually my parents) also have this album, probably from 1965. My grandparents have it somewhere in their house. 

Before I liked the Beatles (stupid!!!) I saw this album, now since my Beatle obsession begun I was wondering what the album was but I had no access to it. I just remembered the front cover but couldn’t figure out the album’s name. Now I finally know it, thanks!!!

I think that meanmistermustard  is right about the foreign release. My parents lived in Holland so probably bought it there.

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