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Wouldn’t surprise me with Dylan. He could write the biggest pile of incomprehensible mundane garbage and the critics would be wetting themselves as they attributed their own complete bollocks to it.

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I’ve noticed that the music video on YouTube for Hey Bulldog is much lower quality than the video for Lady Madonna , which is the same footage. Why is this?

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@CJRBchaz let me think…

Hmmm… 

Hey Bulldog was uploaded a few months before Lady Madonna , but, again, only a few months before.

Perhaps they remastered the footage?

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CJRBchaz said
I’ve noticed that the music video on YouTube for Hey Bulldog is much lower quality than the video for Lady Madonna , which is the same footage. Why is this?

  

Apple are useless and pay little attention to what they are doing most of the time?

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meanmistermustard said

CJRBchaz said

I’ve noticed that the music video on YouTube for Hey Bulldog is much lower quality than the video for Lady Madonna , which is the same footage. Why is this?

  

Apple are useless and pay little attention to what they are doing most of the time?

  

True, true.

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I was reading this about the run-out groove and was curious about Barry Miles quote “… A loop was made from the tape of the muttering and was mixed, but not without some altercation between John and the tape operator“. What originated the altercation?

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Not often I ask a question here, but does anyone know anything about Paul being in the US in the summer of 1967?

It’s just I’m listening to the soundtrack of the musical about Janis Joplin’s life, Love, Janis, and it includes extracts from her letters home read by Catherine Curtin, and there is one dated to “Summer 1967” that I’m thinking has to refer to Paul’s trip to the US in April of that year (which I wouldn’t describe as “Summer”)…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?…..D7kUIbTQvE

…unless there was a summer trip I’m unaware of, which is always quite possible, though unlikely for that time.

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I just came across this quote by David Bailey referring to his shoot with John and Paul that he took for his Box of Pin-Ups book and I’m wondering what he’s referring to…this was in 65′ when everything *seemed to be* copacetic between the duo. Maybe it was just an intense dynamic Bailey hadn’t experienced firsthand before? Or maybe they had just gotten into something? Or maybe he was just trying to drum up controversy after the fact? Does anyone have any context for the shoot or further quotes from Bailey about it? 

 

I told John to close his eyes because I could feel this tension between him and Paul. I did them [together] afterwards; I got them looking different ways because there was such a tension. Although I’ve never seen it like those two guys – Oasis. I was doing their first Rolling Stone cover and I did it in ten minutes because I thought they were going to kill each other.

 

There are the photos where John has he eyes closed or is looking away, but there are also some very lovely outtakes where they look chummy as ever 🙂

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@Savoy Truffle , this answer is based on rumor so I’m gonna put it in a spoiler. Ron or mmm probably have a better feel if this is the reason they seem to be not getting along.

 

From what I understand, Robert Freeman was hired by Brian in 1963 to be the Beatles main photographer. He took the pictures that became many of the album covers, traveled with the Beatles on tour, and hung out with them socially. He and his wife Sonny even lived in Kenwood with John and Cynthia. This is her on a skiing trip standing between Patti and Cyn.

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I don’t want to quote the more salacious versions of the story, so here is the wiki version:

According to a claim in Philip Norman’s 2008 biography of Lennon, between 1963 and 1965, Freeman’s then wife, Sonny Drane (a model and 1964 Pirelli calendar-girl), had a year-long clandestine affair with John Lennon . Norman further claimed that she was the inspiration for Lennon’s song “Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown)”. No evidence for this claim has been presented other than Drane’s own claim to Norman—made for the first time 43 years after the alleged event. Her claim to have inspired the song was not based on any conversation Drane had with Lennon subsequent to the song’s composition—just her supposition. Freeman has made no public comment on his ex-wife’s belated claim. However John Lennon stated that “Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown)” was inspired by an affair he was having at the time, but he didn’t state with whom.

This claim is further substantiated by Cynthia Lennon in her 2005 autobiography. According to her claim, sometime after the couple moved to their estate in Kenwood, they were confronted by a furious Bob Freeman accompanied by his wife who appeared in tears behind him. Cynthia Lennon stated that “Bob ignored me and said he wanted to talk to John. They all disappeared into the living room. When John came back into the kitchen I asked him what had been going on, but he shrugged and disappeared upstairs. It was never mentioned between us again, but not long afterwards I heard that Bob and Sonny were divorcing. I couldn’t escape the conclusion that she’d had an affair with John”.

So the timing seems about right that David Bailey was the replacement photographer and Paul was not too thrilled about it. Perhaps John was closing his eyes in an attempt to ease the tension. I can imagine Paul saying something like “What the hell is wrong with you” when he found out. I’ve read many versions of this story, but I have no idea if it relates directly to the Bailey photo session.

 

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Savoy Truffle said
I just came across this quote by David Bailey referring to his shoot with John and Paul that he took for his Box of Pin-Ups book and I’m wondering what he’s referring to…this was in 65′ when everything *seemed to be* copacetic between the duo. Maybe it was just an intense dynamic Bailey hadn’t experienced firsthand before? Or maybe they had just gotten into something? Or maybe he was just trying to drum up controversy after the fact? Does anyone have any context for the shoot or further quotes from Bailey about it? 

 

I told John to close his eyes because I could feel this tension between him and Paul. I did them [together] afterwards; I got them looking different ways because there was such a tension. Although I’ve never seen it like those two guys – Oasis. I was doing their first Rolling Stone cover and I did it in ten minutes because I thought they were going to kill each other.

 

There are the photos where John has he eyes closed or is looking away, but there are also some very lovely outtakes where they look chummy as ever 🙂

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I love this photo shoot, and the black and white really adds to it, I think. It’s possibly the best shoot they ever did with the big two of John and Paul, and it helps they’re looking young, dapper and in their prime. I’d really like these shots in high definition if possible. 

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Timothy said

 

I love this photo shoot, and the black and white really adds to it, I think. It’s possibly the best shoot they ever did with the big two of John and Paul, and it helps they’re looking young, dapper and in their prime. I’d really like these shots in high definition if possible. 

  I also love it, and it looks like John did as well 🙂

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Sadly I don’t think that’s real. I love the idea of John having that photo on his wall, but I’m pretty sure that one is photoshopped a-hard-days-night-ringo-14

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Looks terribly fake to me.

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And to me. To quote Strawberry Fields, nothing is real.

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The Hole Got Fixed said

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Does anyone else hear this high-pitched noise in She Said She Said ? What is it?

  

Yes.

That’s guitar feedback right there, baby!

  

I think it’s actually high-pitched organ notes; they’re most audible from the second bridge to the song’s end

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Hey, does anyone know about the group The Vernons Girls? I have read that they’re from Liverpool and were “the only female group to ever play the Cavern Club” (quote attributed to Long John Baldry). They are also credited with appearing on the bill during the Beatle’s 1963 autumn tour. I can’t find any actual publicity noting their group name, so maybe they were backup singers for headliner Helen Shapiro? Multiple sources claim this is a picture of them taken at Dublin’s Groome Hotel on 7 November 1963 following the sold-out show at the Adelphi. I’m wondering if any of this is true, why they aren’t more famous. 

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@sigh butterfly…

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…they were also on the Around The Beatles TV special in 1964.

They were not the only female band to play the Cavern, The Liverbirds are more famous for playing the Cavern as they played their own instruments.

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Wow! Thanks Ron, that is a cool poster (especially after searching the internet for it). Don’t know how they have escaped my attention all these years. On youtube I found quite a few covers they performed (plus that Beatle’s novelty song). They were good singers…the lads were a little “handsy” in those days.

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Oh I don’t think the word ‘handsy’ is right. They were definitely promiscuous, but handsy implies unwanted attention. This looks like a posed photo, and none of them look too comfortable to me. The way Paul and George have their hands clasped is the opposite of handsy.

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How many Beatles/solo albums are named after lyrics in a song but not the song title itself or a non-appearing at all title. There are a number of albums like ‘Help ‘ (song on same album) or ‘John Lennon /Plastic Ono Band’ (title but no song at all) but is ‘Flowers In The Dirt ‘ the only one which is from an album track lyric but not the song title (“She sprinkles Flowers In The Dirt that’s when a thrill becomes a hurt” – ‘Don’t Be Carless Love’)?

I’ve never listened to ‘Egypt Station’; is that in any of the lyrics?

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