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30 July 2017
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Oh! Darling also uses the wah-pedal from 0:59, from memory.

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Was Hey Bulldog recorded specifically for the Yellow Submarine film.

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I don't think so. I think it was just a song they had on hand which was used in the film because it was on hand. @Dark Overlord

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Why did The Beatles name their company Apple? Maybe someone can look to see if Joe has written about it.

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'It's a pun. Apple Core -- Apple Corps.' Get it? (Plus you can use a Magritte-inspired giant green apple as your logo.) @Ahhh Girl

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According to Derek Taylor, @Ahhh Girl, Paul turned up at his one day, announcing, "We're starting a brand new form of business. So, what is the first thing a child is taught when he begins to grow up? A is for Apple." Paul then had the idea of calling it Apple Core, but were told they couldn't register it, and so it was changed to Apple Corps, turning it into a pun, in much the same way Beatles was a pun on Beat music.

And you're correct about the label and logo being inspired by a Magritte painting, @Silly Girl. They were still trying to work out a design, when Robert Fraser dropped by with an idea. Paul recounts:

I was out in the garden with some friends. I think I was filming Mary Hopkin with a film crew, just getting her to sing live in the garden, with bees and flies buzzing around, high summer. We were in the long grass, very beautiful, very country-like. We were out in the garden and Robert didn't want to interrupt, so when we went back in the big door from the garden to the living room, there on the table he'd just propped up this little Magritte. It was of a green apple. That became the basis of the Apple logo. Across the painting Magritte had written in that beautiful handwriting of his 'Au Revoir'. And Robert had split. I thought that was the coolest thing anyone's ever done with me. When I saw it, I just thought: 'Robert'. Nobody else could have done that. Of course we'd settle the bill later. He wouldn't hit me with a bill.

The painting was a late-Magritte, from circa 1966, and known as Le jeu de mourre (The Game of Mora). No colour picture of it exists, but it can be seen on the wall at St. John's Wood in circa 1968:

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(The lowest, nearest to Paul, picture, just above the cabinet.)

Paul still owns the picture.

It was written about on Roger Stormo's site Wog Blog in 2014, which includes the only known colour picture in which it's featured, taken by Lizzie Bravo (yes, that Lizzie Bravo).

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Fascinating! Thank you, @Ron Nasty.

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Why did The Beatles rarely if ever stray from their typical setlist for each tour.

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Because concerts, then and now, are very much like a play, in that they follow a predetermined script.

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I'm reading Tune In, and there are so many songs listed that I've never heard of- covers- played before the writing machine cranked up. I would have thought these would have turned up on BBC sessions, and though some did, it seems this material is largely unavailable. Is that true?

I'm not looking for one song in particular (although I would like to find EVERYTHING of Roy Orbison's they covered), I would just like to hear these covers played at any point in their career- I'm aware there was very little recorded pre-63.

I have a rather extensive (23 volumes) BBC collection, and I skimmed the setlists, and the stuff Lewisohn mentions doesn't seem to be there. Are there Hamburg bootlegs?

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Lewisohn's song mentions are based on set lists from the time. Unfortunately, there are very few early recordings of The Beatles.

There is known to be a never-bootlegged Cavern recording from mid-1962, made by a fan. It was auctioned by Sotheby's in 1985 for the ridiculous price of £2,310 (it would now, in my opinion, probably make hundreds of thousands, possibly a million+. Unfortunately for us, the lucky buyer was Paul McCartney, and so it seems unlikely that 18-track performance will ever emerge (at least, not in my lifetime).

There are the 1960 Forthlin Road home recordings, some of which were released on Anthology 1. Those are out there and do feature several covers and early versions of songs. This is the longest version on YT at the moment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xz-QfJQ62Q

The Star Club recordings from December 1962 have been around semi-legally and on bootleg since 1977. There is not known to be any other Hamburg performances captured on tape.

There's also the complete 15-track Decca audition, which includes many tracks unavailable elsewhere.

Unfortunately for history, it seems early rock and roll fans did not record acts in the way that jazz and folk fans did.

The Beatles can be heard performing many of the songs they began with during the complete Get Back sessions, among which are some worthwhile performances, but many are very scrappy and often last only a few seconds.

The BBC recordings are just about the best source of who they were as a band when playing Liverpool and Hamburg.

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At least The Beatles were smart and nice enough to keep everything well documented once they hit it big.

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At least The Beatles were smart and nice enough to keep everything well documented once they hit it big.  

That was EMI and their document policy.

 

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I'm reading Tune In, and there are so many songs listed that I've never heard of- covers- played before the writing machine cranked up. I would have thought these would have turned up on BBC sessions, and though some did, it seems this material is largely unavailable. Is that true?

I'm not looking for one song in particular (although I would like to find EVERYTHING of Roy Orbison's they covered), I would just like to hear these covers played at any point in their career- I'm aware there was very little recorded pre-63.

I have a rather extensive (23 volumes) BBC collection, and I skimmed the setlists, and the stuff Lewisohn mentions doesn't seem to be there. Are there Hamburg bootlegs?  

For the Hamburg material hunt down 'Za Laut', compiled by Lord Reith. It's far superior to all the other sets out there. 

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The pre-1963 non-Star Club material was collated by Lord Reith on the bootleg 'Kicks, Kudos And Cash (revised)', however in the Lord's own words

The 1960 material has been speed corrected using a prominent 50Hz mains hum present on the recording. This was always there, ever since Hans showed the tape and played it on German tv in 1965 (see the Zu Laut dvd), and thus makes a reliable speed reference. Listeners will note differences from other versions. The clarity is also a bit better I hope, being more open and airy. Only the most musical tracks are included on disc 1 - the remainder of the material (mostly rambling instrumentals) is in separate folder but may be emptied into the disc 1 folder if you wish. Note that it will then be too big to burn to disc but can be imported into your Ipod without problems. Alternatively you can keep the instrumentals separate. This is the way I prefer it given that they are somewhat dull and spoiled by added tape echo.

The Sheridan material is not the original mix, it is a remix of my own. The reverb is much reduced and the vocal placed in the centre with the backing vocals and other instruments at the sides. Though not "authentic" mixes, I hope that they will revitalise your interest in something that most of us rarely if ever listen to. They are also a lot more headphone friendly!.

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meanmistermustard said
That was EMI and their document policy.

I always thought that it was The Beatles and George Martin who decided that after I Want To Hold Your Hand they were going to keep all of the multitracks and keep their career well documented, interesting that it was EMI policy considering how BBC wiped old Doctor Who episodes which although somewhat unrelated, The Beatles and Doctor Who were running at the same time and EMI and BBC are both in England.

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For the Hamburg material hunt down 'Za Laut', compiled by Lord Reith. It's far superior to all the other sets out there. 

The pre-1963 non-Star Club material was collated by Lord Reith on the bootleg 'Kicks, Kudos And Cash (revised)...

 

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Was Brian Epstein with them the day they took acid with Peter Fonda, McGuinn, etc...? If so... did he take it too? Did he ever take it?

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I don't think he tripped with Fonda; Ive read that there were only 6 sugarcubes or whatever. But he did eventually take acid on a few occasions; he admitted it to support Paul after Paul's big confession. And there's anecdotes of him rushing out to buy newspapers so everybody could tear them up and fling them about. Also an occasion around the time of Pepper when he threw a party to which Paul didn't attend, which resulted in him despondently lamenting Paul's absence, and chanting "this day of all days, Paul should've been here" while tripping.

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Was was Paul's confession?

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When a TV journalist asked Paul if he'd take LSD. "About 4 or 5 times."

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@Starr Shine? See Joe's entry for 19 June 1967.

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