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Miscellaneous questions about the Beatles
22 November 2016
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@meanmistermustard said

I couldn’t care less if my countries leader liked the Beatles or preferred The Carpenters, what matters to me is his or her policies, characteristics, the way he/she carried out their governorship etc. 

And i can think of many worse things than a President not liking a pop group.  

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meanmistermustard said

The Beatles weren’t unpopular in Japan. I have no idea what this is all about now.  

I’ve found shelves full of Beatles CDs and vinyls in a music shop in Japan. The people I know there all love the Beatles. And they have an ear for good music, I can say it without a doubt. 

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William Shears Campbell said

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UK got countries in its country.

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What do you think the Beatles emblematize in music history?  

Rewind back to the scene in A Hard Day’s Night where, after being confined by the powers that be, the lads escape into a field and dance, prance, jump and generally act goofy. That’s what they’ve always represented to me. Innovation. Breaking barriers. Of course they get busted by an old geezer. “Sorry if we hurt your field, Mister!” THAT’S The Beatles to me!

I don’t see them as “The 60’s” at all. Everything musically that’s even allowed on Media today is pre-approved regimented cookie-cutter Corporate Slop with LasVegas dancers flopping around. There are innovators today, but they’re pushed to the sidelines because $$$ talks, talent walks.

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@Ron Nasty  said
And what a load of BS!

ANYONE who thinks The Beatles weren’t popular in Japan hasn’t seen the Budokan concerts.

Stop spouting racist shit. And suggesting The Beatles weren’t as popular in Japan as they were in the US or UK is racist. The Beatles, by turnout, were not as popular in the US or UK as they were in Australia. The biggest ever audience for an audience.

Maybe I missed something, but I didn’t see anything racist said by @HMBeatlesfan  in this thread. All he said was: “Yoko’s Japanese and The Beatles weren’t as popular in Japan as they were in the US or UK.

The definition of racist by Merriam-Webster is “a discrimination or hatred based on race“. I don’t see anything hateful or discriminatory in his statement. Sure, maybe he was wrong and they were more popular in Japan than he thought, but that does not make him racist. That’s a pretty heavy thing to just throw out at somebody for getting one fact about The Beatles’ popularity in Japan wrong. I think an apology is warranted as that claim was both unjustified and churlish. 

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I’m happy to explain why I found, and still find, the comment racist.

Let’s say, for arguments sake, that The Beatles were hugely unpopular in Japan. Why would this mean that Yoko, because she’s also Japanese, would have been unaware of them? Yoko spent much of the ’50’s living in the US, and was living in the middle of a vibrant artistic community in New York from late-’63/early ’64 until the move to London in the second half of 1966. She was a New Yorker during the period of the British Invasion.

As soon as you bring someone’s race up as a negative argument, and then use a falsehood (mistaken or otherwise) to back-up that argument, you are stepping into the grounds of racism.

The big nasty racism that we should all fear grows out of the tolerance of the low-level jibes and criticisms that use race as their basis.

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I can’t see what’s wrong with the statement, but if you truly believe it is racist, I’ll take your word for it. 

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@Ron Nasty said
Let’s say, for arguments sake, that The Beatles were hugely unpopular in Japan. Why would this mean that Yoko, because she’s also Japanese, would have been unaware of them? Yoko spent much of the ’50’s living in the US, and was living in the middle of a vibrant artistic community in New York from late-’63/early ’64 until the move to London in the second half of 1966. She was a New Yorker during the period of the British Invasion.

Didn’t know this about Yoko. I thought she was in Japan for most of her life.  Not because I’m racist, but because I know that she was born in Japan.  I just don’t do my Yoko research.  @HMBeatlesfan probably thought the same thing.  He didn’t intentionally exclude Yoko because of her race, he just got where she lived wrong.  I mean I could be wrong about HMB’s intentions, but that’s what they appear to be.  So no need to get angry.  Peace and Love

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Ron Nasty said
I’m happy to explain why I found, and still find, the comment racist.

Let’s say, for arguments sake, that The Beatles were hugely unpopular in Japan. Why would this mean that Yoko, because she’s also Japanese, would have been unaware of them? Yoko spent much of the ’50’s living in the US, and was living in the middle of a vibrant artistic community in New York from late-’63/early ’64 until the move to London in the second half of 1966. She was a New Yorker during the period of the British Invasion.

I’m assuming that HMBeatlesFan was unaware that Yoko was not living in Japan during the heyday of the fab four. This might make him ignorant, but it does not make him racist.

As soon as you bring someone’s race up as a negative argument, and then use a falsehood (mistaken or otherwise) to back-up that argument, you are stepping into the grounds of racism.

And the negative argument that HMBeatlesFan made was…..?

What he said was “…The Beatles weren’t as popular in Japan as they were in the US or UK.” I do not understand how this is negative. And to be honest, I would expect that to be true. Do you really think that The Beatles were more popular in Japan than they were in the US or the UK?

I also think it is worthy to note again that what you are talking about is ignorance and not racism. 

The big nasty racism that we should all fear grows out of the tolerance of the low-level jibes and criticisms that use race as their basis.  

I don’t know what you’re talking about here. I did not see any jibe or criticism in HMBeatlesFan’s post. He was merely stating facts. Yoko IS Japanese, and I highly, highly doubt that The Beatles were more popular in Japan than they were in the US or UK. 

 

I’m not sure you understand what racism is. I even provided you with the definition but it seems as though you ignored that because it doesn’t help justify your claim that what HMBeatlesFan said was racist.

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Ron Nasty said
I’m happy to explain why I found, and still find, the comment racist.

Let’s say, for arguments sake, that The Beatles were hugely unpopular in Japan. Why would this mean that Yoko, because she’s also Japanese, would have been unaware of them? Yoko spent much of the ’50’s living in the US, and was living in the middle of a vibrant artistic community in New York from late-’63/early ’64 until the move to London in the second half of 1966. She was a New Yorker during the period of the British Invasion.

As soon as you bring someone’s race up as a negative argument, and then use a falsehood (mistaken or otherwise) to back-up that argument, you are stepping into the grounds of racism.

The big nasty racism that we should all fear grows out of the tolerance of the low-level jibes and criticisms that use race as their basis.  

I thought Yoko lived in Japan until 1966, didn’t know she was living in the UK at the time.

Maybe you should try posting more.

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I’m not that sure it matters where Yoko was in the mid-60’s, the fact is that she knew of the Beatles before she met John despite claims otherwise. Either she told John a pile of garbage and he decided to believe her or they decided to spin it to fit a story they preferred to tell.

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Did all the Beatles turn vegan or vegetarian? 

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John didn’t, although he had periods of vegetarianism.

His diet was mainly macrobiotic in his last years (which allows fish) and occasionally meat.

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Why did they put the solo for Nowhere Man so early.

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So early in the song or in their career? a-hard-days-night-paul-10

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I can’t believe I have to say this, but I meant early in the song.

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I was joking.

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Little Piggy Dragonguy said

I don’t know what you’re talking about here. I did not see any jibe or criticism in HMBeatlesFan’s post. He was merely stating facts. Yoko IS Japanese, and I highly, highly doubt that The Beatles were more popular in Japan than they were in the US or UK. 

I’m not sure you understand what racism is. I even provided you with the definition but it seems as though you ignored that because it doesn’t help justify your claim that what HMBeatlesFan said was racist.  

Also… Japanese isn’t a race, it’s a nationality.

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