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Yes. Maybe an animated little thing.

Though I doubt Kubrick and the Beatles would be a good mix. He's worse than Paul.

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What was the reason The Beatles gigs were usually around 30 minutes long? It seems strange in today's context when you go to see a band and they generally play for an hour and a half plus a 30 minute encore. Whilst I think it must have been great to witness The Beatles live I can't help thinking it must have felt like an anti-climax the way they would rush on then rush off so quickly. Also I know as a musician myself how frustrating it must have been for The Beatles to not be able to play for longer after building yourself up for the gig all day.

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What was the reason The Beatles gigs were usually around 30 minutes long? It seems strange in today's context when you go to see a band and they generally play for an hour and a half plus a 30 minute encore. Whilst I think it must have been great to witness The Beatles live I can't help thinking it must have felt like an anti-climax the way they would rush on then rush off so quickly. Also I know as a musician myself how frustrating it must have been for The Beatles to not be able to play for longer after building yourself up for the gig all day.  

I think it was the fact that the epic concerts weren't quite a "thing" yet, so this was more the norm for bands in the early 60s and not the exception. 

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The Beatles hated the shortening of their live sets that came with fame. John would say in later years that it helped destroy them as musicians. It wasn't just the screaming, and not being heard, but the plastering on of the fake smiles while they ploughed through the same thirty minutes of shite night after night.

The Beatles touring years coincided with the last years of the package tour though. By the second half of the decade acts would start to tour alone, with maybe one or two support acts. This allowed for a longer set by the headliner. Dylan was one of the first acts to tour in a way that we would recognise now, performing eighty/ninety minute sets nightly. The Beatles always had another half-dozen acts on the bill though. If you've got three hours stage time available, and so many acts to give a slot to, even the headliner would get quite a short slot.

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The Beatles hated the shortening of their live sets that came with fame. John would say in later years that it helped destroy them as musicians. It wasn't just the screaming, and not being heard, but the plastering on of the fake smiles while they ploughed through the same thirty minutes of shite night after night.

After being used to having so much fun playing marathon sets in Hamburg, this must have killed them inside. I realize that they grew bored with the Hamburg scene once they started achieving some semblance of popularity in England, but to have their sets cut down down to mere minutes? Yikes.

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Here's 5 questions I was wondering myself:

1. Why the hell wasn't Drive My Car ever played live, it would've the perfect track from Yesterday And Today/Rubber Soul to play live and could've been a great opener

2. Who is the youngest confirmed person to have gone to a Beatles concert (both age wise and DOB wise (for example, if there is someone who was born in 1962 who went when he was 4, but also someone born in 1961 who went when he was 2, list both))

3. Who's the old man at the end of the Hey Jude video

4. For the stereo mix of I Am The Walrus , why couldn't they just isolate the radio part

5. Who's idea was it to have different lead singers per song instead of one main lead singer (P.S. most of the early material is John whereas most of the later material is Paul)

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What was the reason The Beatles gigs were usually around 30 minutes long? It seems strange in today's context when you go to see a band and they generally play for an hour and a half plus a 30 minute encore. Whilst I think it must have been great to witness The Beatles live I can't help thinking it must have felt like an anti-climax the way they would rush on then rush off so quickly. Also I know as a musician myself how frustrating it must have been for The Beatles to not be able to play for longer after building yourself up for the gig all day.  

The Beatles had to do a lot of shows, so if they did a 2.5 hour setlist, they would have trouble and they also could barely hear themselves play because the people screamed like as if Leatherface had came to chop their heads off and make meatballs and pizza with them. For example, in the course of a week from 8/15 to 8/22/1965, they did 11 shows. That's a total of 6.5 hours a week, which isn't that bad when you think about it, but if you did 11 2.5 hour shows in a week, you'd be playing for 27.5 hours, which is over a day. With some days at potentially 5 hours a concert, they would've gone down faster than you can say N*Sync.

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Here's 5 questions I was wondering myself:

1. Why the hell wasn't Drive My Car ever played live, it would've the perfect track from Yesterday And Today/Rubber Soul to play live and could've been a great opener

2. Who is the youngest confirmed person to have gone to a Beatles concert (both age wise and DOB wise (for example, if there is someone who was born in 1962 who went when he was 4, but also someone born in 1961 who went when he was 2, list both))

3. Who's the old man at the end of the Hey Jude video

4. For the stereo mix of I Am The Walrus , why couldn't they just isolate the radio part

5. Who's idea was it to have different lead singers per song instead of one main lead singer (P.S. most of the early material is John whereas most of the later material is Paul)  

1. Their set list was mostly, if not solely, singles. George has commented that they only had time enough to play their hits. BTW, you are correct in that 'Drive My Car ' is an awesome opener. Paul opened his own shows with it for a number for years, including my first time seeing him in 2014.

2. No idea, sorry.

3. I don't know which video you mean as there are dozens out there. If you post the one you are referring to, I'm sure someone could help you out.

4. You'd have to have a seance and ask George Martin.

5. The songs, with a few exceptions, were sung by the main songwriter. In the case of the covers, the singer was the one who could sing it best (high or low notes, etc...).

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3. Who's the old man at the end of the Hey Jude video?
 

His name was Bill. He was a homeless guy whom Paul met at a film studio in London. 

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sgtpepper63 said
Here's 5 questions I was wondering myself:

1. Why the hell wasn't Drive My Car ever played live, it would've the perfect track from Yesterday And Today/Rubber Soul to play live and could've been a great opener

2. Who is the youngest confirmed person to have gone to a Beatles concert (both age wise and DOB wise (for example, if there is someone who was born in 1962 who went when he was 4, but also someone born in 1961 who went when he was 2, list both))

3. Who's the old man at the end of the Hey Jude video

4. For the stereo mix of I Am The Walrus , why couldn't they just isolate the radio part

5. Who's idea was it to have different lead singers per song instead of one main lead singer (P.S. most of the early material is John whereas most of the later material is Paul)  

1. Their set list was mostly, if not solely, singles. George has commented that they only had time enough to play their hits. BTW, you are correct in that 'Drive My Car ' is an awesome opener. Paul opened his own shows with it for a number for years, including my first time seeing him in 2014.

2. No idea, sorry.

3. I don't know which video you mean as there are dozens out there. If you post the one you are referring to, I'm sure someone could help you out.

4. You'd have to have a seance and ask George Martin.

5. The songs, with a few exceptions, were sung by the main songwriter. In the case of the covers, the singer was the one who could sing it best (high or low notes, etc...).  

Thanks, man.

1. I was thinking that too, but there clearly are exceptions. For example, they only performed Eight Days A Week once, which was mimed. Also, I'm pretty sure I Wanna Be Your Man , If I Needed Someone , and Rock And Roll Music were not released as singles or B-sides in the US. Personally, I think they should've released Drive My Car and Nowhere Man as a Double A-side and replaced Rock And Roll Music or If I Needed Someone with said song and turned Yesterday into just Paul singing and playing acoustic guitar instead of a Hammond Organ for the 1966 US tour (I understand the singles off Revolver weren't playable on stage and Got To Get You Into My Life wasn't a hit until Rock And Roll Music came out).

2. I want to know how I'd confirm it. For example, my mother says she took me and my older brother to see The Beatles in 1966, but neither of us remember it and my mother had Alzheimer's at the time she said this, so I can't say that it's true or if they would've allowed a 3 and 4 year old into a stadium to listen to a rock band.

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4. It's sad that George died, although it isn't as sad as say John Lennon , Freddie Mercury, Jim Morrison, or Ronnie Van Zant, as he was 90 when he passed.

5. The main exception you're thinking of is Ringo songs from 1962-1967 and George songs from 1962-1964 (with the exception of Don't Bother Me ). It doesn't sound great when other artists do this sadly, for example, Freddie Mercury sings Tie Your Mother Down way better than Brian May.

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4. For the stereo mix of I Am The Walrus , why couldn't they just isolate the radio part

The radio part was overdubbed live as they created the mono mix. A series of experimental mono mixes were made on the 29 September. Only two were complete. Mono remix 22 was the one that had the radio feed overdubbed live onto it creating its existence as part of a one-track master. It was not recorded separately, and the technology would not exist for decades to isolate it. The second half of mono remix 22 was edited together with mono remix 10 to create the mono master. When it came to the stereo version, because the overdub had been made directly onto remix 22, not recorded as a separate element, they had to choice but to use the mono remix 22 to complete the stereo and do a "fake" stereo job on that half of the song.

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Thanks, man.

1. I was thinking that too, but there clearly are exceptions. For example, they only performed Eight Days A Week once, which was mimed. Also, I'm pretty sure I Wanna Be Your Man , If I Needed Someone , and Rock And Roll Music were not released as singles or B-sides in the US. Personally, I think they should've released Drive My Car and Nowhere Man as a Double A-side and replaced Rock And Roll Music or If I Needed Someone with said song and turned Yesterday into just Paul singing and playing acoustic guitar instead of a Hammond Organ for the 1966 US tour (I understand the singles off Revolver weren't playable on stage and Got To Get You Into My Life wasn't a hit until Rock And Roll Music came out).

2. I want to know how I'd confirm it. For example, my mother says she took me and my older brother to see The Beatles in 1966, but neither of us remember it and my mother had Alzheimer's at the time she said this, so I can't say that it's true or if they would've allowed a 3 and 4 year old into a stadium to listen to a rock band.

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4. It's sad that George died, although it isn't as sad as say John Lennon , Freddie Mercury, Jim Morrison, or Ronnie Van Zant, as he was 90 when he passed.

5. The main exception you're thinking of is Ringo songs from 1962-1967 and George songs from 1962-1964 (with the exception of Don't Bother Me ). It doesn't sound great when other artists do this sadly, for example, Freddie Mercury sings Tie Your Mother Down way better than Brian May.  

You are welcome, sir.

1. When I said "singles", I meant singles as they released them in the UK. The US singles were the choice of Capitol, not The Beatles. This, BTW really pissed them off. Further, when you said "played live", I assumed you meant in concert. Miming 'Eight Days A Week ' or any other song on TV does not constitute a "live" performance in my book- that's just my opinion though, not a statement of fact. Outside a couple of appearances on The Ed Sullivan Show, I can't recall any others that were not prerecorded for future broadcast. 

3. I think I was that guy two nights ago at the George Thorogood concert!

5. The Lennon/McCartney songs sung by Rings are a perfect example but there were others as well.

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4. For the stereo mix of I Am The Walrus , why couldn't they just isolate the radio part

The radio part was overdubbed live as they created the mono mix. A series of experimental mono mixes were made on the 29 September. Only two were complete. Mono remix 22 was the one that had the radio feed overdubbed live onto it creating its existence as part of a one-track master. It was not recorded separately, and the technology would not exist for decades to isolate it. The second half of mono remix 22 was edited together with mono remix 10 to create the mono master. When it came to the stereo version, because the overdub had been made directly onto remix 22, not recorded as a separate element, they had to choice but to use the mono remix 22 to complete the stereo and do a "fake" stereo job on that half of the song.  

It seems stupid that they didn't just put it on one of the tracks on the 4-track recorders they were using at the time. Also, you'd think if they oopsed the mono mix with the radio to the one without, they would get just the radio and then they put that oopsed track back into the stereo version (although there might be some artifacts from the non radio tracks in the song).

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Ron Nasty said

sgtpepper63 said
4. For the stereo mix of I Am The Walrus , why couldn't they just isolate the radio part

The radio part was overdubbed live as they created the mono mix. A series of experimental mono mixes were made on the 29 September. Only two were complete. Mono remix 22 was the one that had the radio feed overdubbed live onto it creating its existence as part of a one-track master. It was not recorded separately, and the technology would not exist for decades to isolate it. The second half of mono remix 22 was edited together with mono remix 10 to create the mono master. When it came to the stereo version, because the overdub had been made directly onto remix 22, not recorded as a separate element, they had to choice but to use the mono remix 22 to complete the stereo and do a "fake" stereo job on that half of the song.  

The original radio broadcast was found years later however and new stereo mixes were created for the 'Anthology' DVD, 'Love' and 'Rock Band' projects.

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You are welcome, sir.

1. When I said "singles", I meant singles as they released them in the UK. The US singles were the choice of Capitol, not The Beatles. This, BTW really pissed them off. Further, when you said "played live", I assumed you meant in concert. Miming 'Eight Days A Week ' or any other song on TV does not constitute a "live" performance in my book- that's just my opinion though, not a statement of fact. Outside a couple of appearances on The Ed Sullivan Show, I can't recall any others that were not prerecorded for future broadcast. 

3. I think I was that guy two nights ago at the George Thorogood concert!

5. The Lennon/McCartney songs sung by Rings are a perfect example but there were others as well.  

1a. All the songs that I mentioned that were not released as a Single or B-side in the US weren't in the UK either.

1b. I'd expect them to play their US singles on their US tour and their UK singles on their UK tour, at least for the most part.

1c. I don't blame them for being pissed off that their albums and singles were being screwed over by Capitol, although I think Capitol made the smart move to put the singles/hits on the albums, though at the same time some people feel differently and have reasonable arguments to believe so.

1d. Miming is a murky topic when it comes to this. For example, you can tell Queen is miming in their Somebody To Love music video because Brian plays guitar throughout the entire song, not just the solo and they are in a studio setting, not a live setting. I personally consider this live in a sense because The Beatles are most likely playing the song live and then they replace the audio with the album audio (I'm not sure how they mime, but this is how I'd mime and I can't find any footage of this performance to tell whether they're playing the right notes or not).

3. Good joke, this guy looks like he was at least 60 at the time, therefore making him born in at least 1908, which means that he is either dead or on his deathbed, I doubt he would even know who George Thoorgood is, forget see him live.

5. Such as I'm Happy Just To Dance With You and Do You Want To Know A Secret .

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I Wanna Be Your Man  and If I Needed Someone , just as Boys Act Naturally Roll Over Beethoven  and Everybody's Trying To Be My Baby , were included in their live act to give Ringo and George vocal spots. Rock And Roll Music  came into the set after they had largely dropped Roll Over Beethoven , and could be seen as them continuing to tip the hat to a huge influence.

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Bands usually mime thru hearing playback; they pretend to the song as it comes thru. An example would be the Beatles on 'Ready Steady Go' in 1964 or even Queen's appearances in Montreux in 1984 (one example) and 1986 when Freddie at times doesn't even bother to pretend he's singing. You can tell they are miming to the record as John would often mess up the lyrics and have to catch himself. Miming 'Eight Days A Week ' isn't a true live performance tho would be great to see, as would 'Yes It Is '. 

The Beatles usually played a selection of the most recent singles, a couple of rockers, one each for George and Ringo, and a selection or two from the most recent album (bar 'Revolver ' when they didn't bother). As to why they chose one song over the other it was down to group choice tho could be argued that 'Nowhere Man ' from 'Rubber Soul ' was a US single so got added and 'Rock And Roll Music ' was a rocker that they knew and didn't have to spend any serious time learning (if any). 'If I Needed Someone ' was the George number, a recent album track and a lot easier to learn and play than 'Think For Yourself '. The lack of piano may be one reason for 'Drive My Car ''s non-appearance.

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I Wanna Be Your Man  and If I Needed Someone , just as Boys Act Naturally Roll Over Beethoven  and Everybody's Trying To Be My Baby , were included in their live act to give Ringo and George vocal spots. Rock And Roll Music  came into the set after they had largely dropped Roll Over Beethoven , and could be seen as them continuing to tip the hat to a huge influence.  

For George, I understand If I Needed Someone , although for Ringo, either What Goes On or Act Naturally would've made more sense, as they were a lot newer than I Wanna Be Your Man . As much as I think Rock And Roll Music is a great opener, Drive My Car is the newer song and deserved at least a chance. Also, there are a lot of bands that don't show a lot to their influence. For example, Black Sabbath never plays Beatles songs live, nor does Queen have a single cover on any of their studio albums except for God Save The Queen.

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Bands usually mime thru hearing playback; they pretend to the song as it comes thru. An example would be the Beatles on 'Ready Steady Go' in 1964 or even Queen's appearances in Montreux in 1984 (one example) and 1986 when Freddie at times doesn't even bother to pretend he's singing. You can tell they are miming to the record as John would often mess up the lyrics and have to catch himself. Miming 'Eight Days A Week ' isn't a true live performance tho would be great to see, as would 'Yes It Is '. 

The Beatles usually played a selection of the most recent singles, a couple of rockers, one each for George and Ringo, and a selection or two from the most recent album (bar 'Revolver ' when they didn't bother). As to why they chose one song over the other it was down to group choice tho could be argued that 'Nowhere Man ' from 'Rubber Soul ' was a US single so got added and 'Rock And Roll Music ' was a rocker that they knew and didn't have to spend any serious time learning (if any). 'If I Needed Someone ' was the George number, a recent album track and a lot easier to learn and play than 'Think For Yourself '. The lack of piano may be one reason for 'Drive My Car ''s non-appearance.  

1. Good point, I wonder if Hey Jude was mimed or not. Also, Freddie is definitely miming in those clips. Also, for all we know, for example, on the Paperback Writer music video, Paul could be saying (although it's not likely) "dear sir or miklbar, can you grow my pig, moe ate an apple covered in purple hooks, ick more to sell you than a man called fear and I need bank robbers so I eat candy I eat purple corn flakes I cow on a china"

2. The 1966 tour was to support Yesterday And Today, not Revolver . The problem was that they released a new album in less than 2 months, which confused a lot of people into what album they were promoting on this tour. As for piano, Rock And Roll Music had piano and it was played live on guitar by George. Actually, here's how it could've been done:

John: rhythm guitar playing rhythm guitar part

George: lead guitar playing piano and lead guitar part, both on guitar

Paul: bass guitar

Ringo: drums

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Thinking about it, I wonder why The Beatles never used their strats live and why there are next to no photos of George using his Strat before the paint job, although many sources say that he used it as his main guitar in the studio for Help !, Rubber Soul , Revolver , Sgt. Pepper 's Lonely Hearts Club Band, and Magical Mystery Tour .

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