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Miscellaneous questions about the Beatles
7 March 2016
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 Who is the pig in the picture? What is John doing to the poor little baby? Doesn’t John look uncomfortable?

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The pig is a pig. John was parodying Paul’s Ram cover. He was in a lethal mood was Johnny baby!

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Yeah but where did he find a pig?!

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Yoko was behind that I think. She sold a cow or something for a huge sum. I’m guessing she helped him find it.

 

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Is this an original photograph?

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I always wanted to see how they looked in lilac jackets after reading about it in Mark Lewisohn, but I’m not sure if these are the ones.

 

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^^ I’m almost absolutely certain that that’s colourised.  

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Ya that is colored.

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While driving to Ahhh Mom’s yesterday, I listened to some of the Beatles Anthology Revisited. In an interview about their concerts in Spain (a search of the BB lead’s me to this page so maybe the interview is in the regular anthology), Paul says (this is a paraphrase) that it was a downer to be singing to dignataries because they weren’t getting hyped up and loud…on reason being their teenage fans weren’t allowed into the arena.

I know they ended up getting upset because they felt like no one was listening to them at concerts. It just seemed strange to hear them saying they were sad that it wasn’t “lively” at this concert.

Anyhoo…where’s the question in my rambling?

Can someone summarize the progression they went through in becoming cheesed off at people not listening to their musical genius during concerts?

EDIT: and does anyone know what interview it was where George mentions that he and John went to the London airport wearing disguises (hats, beards, glasses, etc.) but people still recognized them and said, “Hi, George. Hi, John.”?

14 March 2016
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Can someone summarize the progression they went through in becoming cheesed off at people not listening to their musical genius during concerts?
 

I’m not sure that I’ve read anything that definitively outlines that progression (deterioration?) as to when it started.

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They’ve all commented on that in some fashion. In hindsight, while the screams of the audience were a huge factor in their not being heard, one has to admit that the equipment used/available back then was not conducive to being heard above the din of the kids.

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This is pretty much my own view of their growing disillusionment with touring, @Ahhh Girl.

While their 1965 US tour was full of highs including Shea Stadium, George was starting to grow tired of the circus surrounding them and the fact they couldn’t be heard. George was always the most studious of them as a musician, and it was frustrating to him that no one was listening.

The real rot started to set in Germany in June 1966. They struggled with bringing Rubber Soul era material into the set, realising much of it was almost impossible to play live. Worse than that, they were appalled at how badly they were playing, at how they were struggling as a live band. It got better as the tour went on, but John and Ringo started to understand George’s point of view, realising that playing live was holding them back from progressing as musicians.

Worse still, the Germany tour included their first performance in Hamburg since 31 December 1962. Many of their old friends from back in the day were there, and that drove home the belief in their heads that they were no longer as good a live band as they once were.

When talking about what a great live band they were, John would always hark back to Hamburg, and bemoan how Beatlemania destroyed them as performers, and here they were back in Hamburg, feeling like they were playing shite.

Straight after it was onto Japan. While they were starting to play better, the fact that the audience were actually listening (for fear of getting beaten around the head with a truncheon by the Japanese police) was worse for them than if they’d been screaming, given their lack of confidence in themselves as performers…

And then came the debacle of the Philippines…

John and George were starting to voice the opinion that enough was enough.

Paul was still upbeat, reminding them that they more-or-less had a month off, and then they were off to America, and America was always good…

By the time they walked off stage at Candlestick Park on 29 August, even Paul had had enough.

It was really that succession of lousy tours, in one way or another, across 1966, aligned with the fact that there was nothing from Revolver  on the US tour they could work out how to perform live, even though it came out days before the tour began.

Touring was out.

That’s my take, anyway.

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You can really hear when the musicianship suffers, too. I know I’d be pretty frustrated if I couldn’t hear myself.

Here’s audio from the final concert at Candlestick Park.

 

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Admittedly, the musicianship did suffer to some extent due to the fact that they could not be heard. Equally to blame however, is the fact that they became increasingly lazy when it came to rehearsing. Probably because they figured nobody could hear them anyway – a bit of a vicious circle, yes?

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Adding to Ron’s post i think the almost 4 month break they had at the beginning of 1966 opened George’s eyes at least (and most) that they didn’t have to go racing around the world endlessly, that there was more to learn and savour and breathe in life at home, all away from the public microscope.

I’d suggest they had done almost all in 1964, the only real highs in 1965 touring wise was Shea Stadium and meeting Elvis, aside from that it was just repeating everything whilst having to deal with the monotony and banality of the press conferences and the mania of the fans. By Japan 1966 Ringo, John and George didnt want to do it, just watch the those concerts, especially the first, and see how bored the three were. Plus they were more aware of how poor most of the PA systems were – it wasn’t just the screaming that made them not be heard; there is a bootleg available (Atlanta 1965?) where they were in obvious awe of the sound set-up. 

Edit: It is Atlanta. Jump to 9:54 in the below video and listen to John’s delight, Paul too at 7:23.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?…..dQh8jol39k

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Without that 4 month break, would they have toured for longer?

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I wonder if they’d have carried on playing live if there had been better equipment. Just a couple of years later bands had far better speakers and monitoring gear, and it might have made the difference. But I think their songs were becoming far to complex to be playable live. How could they have played Tomorrow Never Knows or Strawberry Fields Forever live? I could have seen them getting back to playing live during the Get Back era, but not during their psychedelic spell.

Incidentally, the turning point when Paul agreed to stop touring was on 21 August 1966, at Busch Stadium in St Louis:

The show took place in heavy rain, with a makeshift shelter over the stage to protect the musicians, although water still dripped onto the amplifiers. It was this incident which finally convinced Paul McCartney that The Beatles should cease touring.

Paul: It rained quite heavily, and they put bits of corrugated iron over the stage, so it felt like the worst little gig we’d ever played at even before we’d started as a band. We were having to worry about the rain getting in the amps and this took us right back to the Cavern days – it was worse than those early days. And I don’t even think the house was full.

After the gig I remember us getting in a big, empty steel-lined wagon, like a removal van. There was no furniture in there – nothing. We were sliding around trying to hold on to something, and at that moment everyone said, ‘Oh, this bloody touring lark – I’ve had it up to here, man.’

I finally agreed. I’d been trying to say, ‘Ah, touring’s good and it keeps us sharp. We need touring, and musicians need to play. Keep music live.’ I had held on that attitude when there were doubts, but finally I agreed with them.

George and John were the ones most against touring; they got particularly fed up. So we agreed to say nothing, but never to tour again. We thought we’d get into recording, and say nothing until some journalist asked, ‘Are you going out on tour?’ – ‘Not yet.’ We wouldn’t make The Big Announcement that we’d finished touring forever, but it would gradually dawn on people: ‘They don’t appear to be going on tour, do they? How long was that? Ten years? Maybe they’ve given it up.’

That was the main point: we’d always tried to keep some fun in it for ourselves. In anything you do you have to do that, and we’d been pretty good at it. But now even America was beginning to pall because of the conditions of touring and because we’d done it so many times.

 

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When was the last interview given by all four Beatles in the same room at the same time? Was it the San Francisco press conference in August ’66?

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meanmistermustard said
When was the last interview given by all four Beatles in the same room at the same time? Was it the San Francisco press conference in August ’66?

The website Beatles Ultimate Experience cites this one from 19 May, 1967. It may not meet your criteria though. While all four were in the room, it appears George was not interviewed.

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On a similar note, Kenny Everett, all four Beatles there, mainly John though (but all four do contribute), how about Studio 2 on 6 June 1968?

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Threads such as this one are my favorites – love seeing the Beatley gray matter being exercised.

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Is there a point at which each of The Beatles knew they were now rich? If so, how did they talk about it?

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