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Miscellaneous questions about the Beatles
15 September 2015
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The talk about the rejected running order for Sgt Pepper got me to thinking. What if The Beatles were recording in the CD-era and didn’t have to think about sides and sides ending? Would they have put the songs in a different order?

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The talk about the rejected running order for Sgt Pepper got me to thinking. What if The Beatles were recording in the CD-era and didn’t have to think about sides and sides ending? Would they have put the songs in a different order?

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Great question, @sigh butterfly.

They would have been driven by Neil on their first visits, parking the van at the front of the building.

I’m fairly sure they would have all crossed the road together at some point prior to August 69, though I don’t think I’ve ever heard of an incident where it happened. And I think it would have been in the earliest days. They did photoshoots around Abbey Road back then which might well have involved using the crossing.

Once Beatlemania broke they were driven everywhere and mobbed by fans, so couldn’t easily pop outside for a mosey around London. The exception was Paul, who lived nearby (from 66) and walked to the studio most days, and who always retained a fondness for exploring on foot and using public transport. As a group they hardly ever went around in public unless they were sightseeing on holiday, in India etc.

I once heard a story of John and Yoko leaving the studio during the Plastic Ono Band albums sessions. IIRC they walked down Abbey Road for a few minutes (it’s a long road), and on their return John was thrilled with having actually gone outside and walked around without being bothered by fans. It’s quite a sad story really. If anyone else has heard it and can remember the source please let me know.

Thanks @Joe, I was kind of dreaming that the crossing had a special meaning for the Beatles as it does to us. When you think about it I guess they knew the end was near for the group when they filmed on the studio rooftop. If people didn’t know where the Beatles recorded before, they surely knew after that. My favorite part of all the Beatles movies is in Let It Be when they are filmed from an upstairs window arriving at Abbey Road Studios. It was so casual, just a couple of blokes showing up for another day at the office 😉 

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Just to be clear, Let It Be was filmed at Twickenham and Apple Studios, Savile Row. The rooftop show was on the Apple building, and EMI Studios (as it was called back then) didn’t feature.

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Thanks @Joe, it’s been 45 years so my memory is a little hazy. It’s funny though, when I look at the image you posted of Abbey Road Studios I can just picture the scene in the film. The Beatles drive in through a wrought iron gate to a parking lot in front of the building, while several fans wave to them from the street. I’m assuming the Apple building has a similar set-up or I’ve gone completely daft.

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Apple Headquarters on 3 Saville Row

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ahdn_paul_06Well at least there is a wrought iron gate!

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@sigh butterfly 

There’s a fairly well-known clip of George exiting his car and walking into 3 Savile Row. I can’t remember if it was in Let It Be or not though.

They used it in the Free As A Bird video (I’ve tried to link to the precise bit; hope it works). Is that the bit you were remembering?

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Thanks @Joe, this is definitely the vibe I’m remembering though not quite the setting. Gonna do a little research this weekend and see if I come up with anything (other than this particular memory is perchance from a dream).   

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Might you be thinking of this December 1966 footage, @sigh butterfly? I know it’s earlier than you thought, but on the other hand is at Abbey Road , and does include fans looking on.

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Thanks @Ron Nasty, the Abbey Road studio parking lot is definitely the location of the scene I am remembering. It must be from a video because as Joe mentioned it isn’t from the Let It Be film. If anyone is interested I did find the Apple Studio arrival scene from the Let It Be movie online (Japanese version I believe). The sequence starts at the 23:15 mark. It’s followed by some cute interaction between Paul and Linda’s daughter Heather.

http://www.dailymotion.com/vid…..shortfilms

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Why did their fans always scream at them?

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I think the stock answer is the repressed female sexuality of the times, but I think there was more to it. I used to think it had something to do with the seductive lyrics found in so many of the songs. However when I accompanied my daughter and her friends to a New Kids On The Block stadium concert in the 80s there was a level of pandemonium that did not seem to have any relationship to the songs. I actually experienced the screaming first hand when I was 11 and saw A Hard Days Night at a downtown Los Angeles theatre. When the movie started girls that a minute ago had been enjoying their popcorn were shaking and shrieking out loud. I suppose it was sexual in a way (I don’t think I knew about sex at that point), but almost seemed more like a club and all the members shared a secret named The Beatles. I remember some of the loudest screaming was the part of the movie when John sings If I Fell to Ringo in an attempt to cheer him up. The only reason I can think of now for that scene to cause that type of reaction is pure unadulterated charisma.

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Science Explains Why Girls Went So Crazy For The Beatles

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What’s with all the crying and fainting?

Typically, we equate crying with sadness and fainting with illness.

The truth is, our brains are actually pretty dumb, and any sudden, strong emotion – from happiness to relief to stress – can elicit these vulnerable physical reactions.

Our autonomic nervous system (the “involuntary” nervous system) is divided into two branches: sympathetic (“fight-or-flight”) and parasympathetic (“rest-and-digest”). Acting via the hypothalamus, the sympathetic nervous system is designed to mobilise the body during times of stress. It’s why our heart rate quickens, why we sweat, why we feel ready to run. The parasympathetic nervous system, on the other hand, essentially calms us back down.

The parasympathetic nervous system does something funny, too. Connected to our lacrimal glands (better known as tear ducts), activation of parasympathetic receptors by the neurotransmitter acetylcholine results in tear production. So for those fans relieved to finally see their Fab Four, tears were commonplace.

For others, though, the sudden activation of their parasympathetic nervous system is accompanied by something much more dramatic. A quick drop in blood pressure results from vessels widening and heart rate slowing, hence the fainting.

Fainting, crying … exactly the things you’d want your hero to see you do when you finally meet them, right?

Everyone’s crazy ‘bout a sharp-dressed man

Let’s be honest, there’s a reason Beatlemania is typified by hoardes of young women: The Beatles looked good.

When Brian Epstein officially signed on as the Beatles’ manager in early 1962, the first thing he did was smarten up their stage appearance; he fitted them into Edwardian collarless suits, matching boots, and choreographed a synchronised bow at the end of each song.

According to a 2011 survey, 91% of Americans believe that a well-dressed man appears smarter, sexier, and more successful than one who is not, regardless of their overall physical attractiveness or how much money they have.

And a 1990 study of 382 college students by the University of Toledo examined just how clothes can make the man. One “attractive” and one “unattractive” man (as previously determined by a panel of females) donned a variety of clothes – from designer watches and pressed shirts to baseball caps and Burger King polos. Consistently, women rated the well-dressed man as more attractive than the sloppier one, regardless of which model sported which ensemble.

The Beatles had some pretty great hair, too. Inspired by a man they saw during a gig in Hamburg, Germany, John and Paul reportedly hitchhiked to Paris and requested the distinctive haircut.

Across cultures, long, shiny female hair is rated attractive by both genders. Evolutionary psychologists reason that the ability to grow long hair can reveal several years of a person’s health status, age, nutrition, and reproductive fitness, as vitamin deficiencies result in hair loss.

Plus, moptops eliminate any sign of androgenic alopecia, or male-pattern baldness, which studies have been associated with perceived ageing and less attractiveness. But don’t worry, men – evolutionary biologists theorise that baldness is actually a sign of dominance, longevity, and social status due to its cause – a more potent form of testosterone called DHT.

Although the fans may have drowned out the music with their shrieks, at least they still had a sight to behold.

So 50 years ago this Sunday, 73m Americans crowded around 60% of the country’s televisions to watch the Beatles’ debut, and the birth of Beatlemania. But while there are some explanations for why frenzied fans might have reacted the way they did to the Fab Four, for some the teenage shrieks and hysteria remained utterly baffling.

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I read somewhere that John and Yoko smelled bad and looked unkempt during some period of time. I think it was due to drug usage, perhaps. How long did they live in this unhygienic state? Did The Beatles record songs during this time? How did George, Ringo, Paul, George Martin, etc. stand to be around them during that time?

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Good point. In the “Did John have gay leanings” thread Yoko says that they both were into beauty -but many of the pictures of them both in the late ’60s and early ’70s show a couple of unkempt dirty people.

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Ahhh Girl said
I read somewhere that John and Yoko smelled bad and looked unkempt during some period of time. I think it was due to drug usage, perhaps. How long did they live in this unhygienic state? Did The Beatles record songs during this time? How did George, Ringo, Paul, George Martin, etc. stand to be around them during that time?

What was the source, @Ahhh Girl ? Do you remember the period of time that was referenced?

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I can’t remember where I read it. I think it may have been during their heroin era, but I’m not positive. When I get 10 minutes to string together to look it up, I will.

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Can you string 12 minutes together, please? I could use 2 of them myself (he said, while wasting time posting). 

It’s not really that important, so don’t feel like you have to bother. I was just curious about what years the period encompassed because toward the end, JohnOno was spending less time in the studio. Knowing the way The Beatles were – never afraid to be outspoken – one could only imagine the things that could have been said if a less than stellar smelling JohnandYoko were present.

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Part of that rumour is the Revolution  promo.

If you look at around 11 seconds, George says something Paul, which appears to end in “…sh*t”. There are two takes on what George actually says, the most common interpretation is that he says, “John smells like sh*t”, while the second is, “John’s mic sounds sh*t”.

While it is rumoured that John didn’t take as much care of himself as he could have during the “heroin” period, I think it’s more likely to be something like the latter. They’d already spent some time filming Hey Jude , so it’s unlikely George would have just noticed any odour, while – as those who’ve heard the original sound of Revolution  can confirm – they were getting distortion and feedback from one of the mics, and since John has just started singing when George makes the comment, I lean toward thinking that he was commenting on the sound.

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