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Miscellaneous questions about the Beatles
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vectisfabber said
The thing which puzzles me is John.  As leader of the group in Hamburg, and someone with a commanding way about him as a young man (even though still nominally living at Mendips), he later seemed to lose all ability to actually do things for himself, becoming utterly dependent on others.  Maybe this is just a matter of false reporting, but it’s an impression which seems to come from multiple sources.

Never thought about it that way -but spot on. 

Forsan et haec olim meminisse juvabit” (“Perhaps one day it will be a pleasure to look back on even this”; Virgil, The Aeneid, Book 1, line 203, where Aeneas says this to his men after the shipwreck that put them on the shores of Africa)

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Which concert was the most dangerous for the Beatles?

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This one  

No, just kidding. 

I’m not really sure which one was the most dangerous– there were quite a few frightful ones… 

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The concerts that they were probably most scared about beforehand would have been the two shows at the Mid-South Coliseum in Memphis on 19 August 1966.

They had this in the run-up:

During the second show, during If I Needed Someone , someone in the crowd let off a cherry bomb. John recalled:

One night on a show in the South somewhere somebody let off a firecracker while we were on stage. There had been threats to shoot us, the Klan were burning Beatle records outside and a lot of the crew-cut kids were joining in with them. Somebody let off a firecracker and every one of us – I think it’s on film – look at each other, because each thought it was the other that had been shot. It was that bad.

But then, shows were dangerous in different ways, and the ones where they were probably at most risk happened in Hamburg and Liverpool. By 1963 the dangers were different.

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I am revisiting the idea of when they became men instead of boys.

I turned on my tv while walking on my treadmill the other night and the movie Imagine was on. Elliot Mintz says that John grew up/became a man during the Lost Weekend. Does anyone have any thoughts on that idea?

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Rubbish! John regressed to a more irresponsible youth without responsibilities during the ‘Lost Weekend’. In the words of a waitress, he became, “an asshole with a Kotex on [his] head”.

Elliot regards it as a period John needed to clear the decks so that he could go back to Yoko. He’s looking at it from the John and Yoko angle, and not really the John angle. He’s kind of saying, “John grew up enough during the ‘Lost Weekend’ for Yoko to take him back…”.

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What was the first photo to feature John, Paul, George and Ringo?

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Annadog40 said
What was the first photo to feature John, Paul, George and Ringo?

I think that this video is the first “picture” of the Fab Four, as Ringo had officially joined the band four days earlier.

This is possibly the first genuine still image.

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Depends what you mean. There is a picture of John, Paul, George and Ringo in Hamburg before he joined them in August 1962 (not that i can find it online, might be in the Anthology book).

This is dated August 22nd 1962

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Just wondering who was their luthier, or the person in charge of getting their stuff (gear) updated, or fixed…those kind of things. If anybody knows…

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That’s an interesting question, especially later on toward the end of the band when they were just too preoccupied for such matters.

Or were they?

Based on what I’ve read over the years, they were all true musicians; buying instruments they couldn’t afford or trading what they had.  After breaking out, they were offered stuff as gifts or promotional considerations.

One thing is pretty certain; other than George (and even he, to a minor degree) none of them were ‘gear heads.’  I think McCartney probably used all of maybe 4 basses during the Beatle years and Lennon cherished his 325 for many years, both on the road and in the studio.  I’m not sure why he put it down, probably it’s tone was no longer suitable for the music he wanted to make or perhaps he just wanted to rest the image it provoked.

Harrison went through quite a few guitars in his career, but that’s in comparison to his bandmates.

Starr switched brands once, I believe, going from Premier to Ludwig.  He had a few kits, I think 5 or so, spaced out over their years.  I’m not familiar beyond the Beatle years.  I know there were two sets kept at Abbey Road .

Amps were whatever was available until Vox entered the picture and pretty sure that was a promotional thing.  Later on, they wanted and got Fenders.  Not sure ‘who’ went out for them but it’s well-known Lennon and Harrison tasked Mal Evans with buying their first stratocasters.

EMI’s techs would have been in the studio.  If anything went weird, there were plenty of people around to lend a hand.

And other than Evans, their road manager, the names weren’t kept, near as I can tell.  By ’65 and ’66, the entourage was so huge, with security and everything, it was a major enterprise.  But staging a concert was still very primitive; get the gear on stage let the house guys do all the set-up, miking and balancing.  Done.  Pretty much why it all sucked, sound-wise.

Same thing in the studio, but with much better results.

It was all very much a new game back then.  Today, people familiar with major artists realize the number of people ’employed’ solely to run things smoothly behind the scenes.  Heck, McCartney’s tour requires a couple of 747’s.  Self-contained and self-sustaining today is a lot different than it was in 1963.

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Yup, but Lennon had his first Rick painted black and i think he removed or changed the vibrato as well…and then when the Casino period he got it’s pick guard removed and sanded to bare wood…

 

As i was writing these lines, and searching for an Hamburg pic of his Rick i found this:

http://www.thecanteen.com/lennon3.html

Quite interesting info

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^ Ahhh yes, I like that site. Very interesting stuff for guitarmaniacs like myself. 

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Does anyone know what other songs Beatles did that aren’t listed on this site? Stuff like Bad to Me, Picture of you, Take good care of my baby, etc. 

Just found out Bad to me, and it’s gorgeous. It’s like a long lost melody that seems so familiar. Reminds me of the first time I heard Keep your hand off my baby.

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StrawberryWalrus said
Does anyone know what other songs Beatles did that aren’t listed on this site? Stuff like Bad to Me, Picture of you, Take good care of my baby, etc. 

Just found out Bad to me, and it’s gorgeous. It’s like a long lost melody that seems so familiar. Reminds me of the first time I heard Keep your hand off my baby.

There are way too many to list.  Here is a good starting point.

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There are a ton if you take into consideration the ‘Get Back ‘ rehearsals where they recorded hundreds of hours of unreleased tracks, Joe’s list is here.

Twenty unreleased tracks, with videos embedded, are here, there is a BB thread on the best remaining unreleased tracks, tho many are outtakes of already listed songs, and someone posted their tracklisting for an Anthology 4 here.

Off the top of my head some of the tracks would be

  • Putting On The Style
  • Baby Lets Play House (both from 6th July 1957 where Paul first met John)
  • One And One Is Two (early 1964 demo)
  • I’m In Love (1963 demo – on Beatles Bootleg 1963 itunes album)
  • Heather (1968 demo)
  • September In The Rain (1962 Decca Audition)
  • I Will Always Be In Love With You
  • Well Darling (both from 1960 Quarrymen rehearsal)
  • Catswalk (1962 Cavern Rehearsal)
  • Where Have You Been All My Life
  • Red Hot
  • Sheila
  • Reminiscing (all from Star Club, Hamburg in December 1962)
  • Brian Epsteins Blues (‘White Album ‘ sessions improvisation)

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For their BBC recordings, see Joe’s page.

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Thank you guys, a bit more Beatles food to chew on 🙂

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StrawberryWalrus said
Thank you guys, a bit more Beatles food to chew on 🙂

And here’s something to wash that down: 

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Silly Girl said

StrawberryWalrus said
Thank you guys, a bit more Beatles food to chew on 🙂

And here’s something to wash that down: 

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I drank John Lemon beer and it’s among my favorite beers. It has hints of citrus in it 🙂

Also, those puns always crack me up.

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