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Miscellaneous questions about the Beatles
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@StrawberryFieldsForever, that made me bust out laughing. rofl.gif

I love the way you said it!

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If Brian or someone had convinced The Beatles to have more traditional haircuts, then maybe the girls wouldn’t have screamed so loud at the concerts and would have been able to hear/would have listened to the music which is what The Beatles wanted them to do. They were proud of their music and wanted people to appreciate them as musicians. There might not have been a reason for John to say that they were more popular than Jesus, and therefore, no firecracker at the concert in Memphis. Maybe The Beatles would have toured much longer and stayed together as a group much longer.

They would have been recognized more as musicians, and would have been less of a social phenomenon. I wonder if they would have become so popular though. But anyways fifty years later nobody cares about their haircut anymore, and what we have is their music, their legacy.

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In Little Richard’s wiki page, it cites the Bill Harry’s Paul McCartney Encyclopedia that Long Tall Sally was the first song Paul performed in public. Anyone know anything to validate or invalidate this?

How about the first song (performance quality) John and Paul wrote together.  It would be so cool if it were Two of Us but I doubt it.  Maybe One After 909 ? for some reason I think it was an early one.

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One After 909 ‘ was mostly if not all John. ‘I Lost My Little Girl’ was the first song Paul wrote himself even tho John sang lead during the Get Back sessions. ‘You’ll Be Mine ‘ on ‘Anthology 1 ‘ is the earliest officially released recording credited to ‘Lennon/McCartney’. A google search brings up a conversation on the Hoffman forum regarding the same subject and one poster, called Arnie, writes in post #5

In the USA standard edition of TUNE IN, on page 12, in the prologue chapter (dated January 1958), Mark Lewisohn says: “Their first song was “Too Bad About Sorrows”. It was never properly recorded, possibly never completed, …. They called their second song “Just Fun”. …. Another number seems to have been called “Because I Know You Love Me So”. …”

So those might be the first three joint compositions.

Two Of Us ‘ was written in 1968 (its pretty much complete when first rehearsed on the 2nd January 1969).

 

As for ‘Long Tall Sally ‘, in an earlier entry in Harry’s encyclopedia (‘Life And Times of Little Richard, The”) there is a quote from Paul (important part in bold)

Little Richard’s biography, penned by Charles White and published by Harmony Books in America in October 1984.

Paul was asked to write the foreword in which he said, ‘I have these fantastic memories from a very early age, singing “Tutti Frutti” at school – it was a big rave at the time. The first song I ever sang in public was “Long Tall Sally ” in a Butlin’s holiday camp talent competition. When the Beatles were first starting, we performed with Richard in Liverpool and Hamburg and we became close friends. Richard is one of the greatest kings of Rock ‘N’ Roll . He’s a great guy and he’s my friend today.’

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 Thanks, mmm, that’s some really solid info, complete with citations.  Authoritative knowledge like that is one of the things that makes this site so valuable.

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What were the Beatles like as parents?

https://youtu.be/52nwiTs7bk8

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Going back to first songs John and Paul wrote together, ‘Because I Love You So’ was played during the ‘Get Back ‘ rehearsals; its one of my favourite moments from those January 1969 sessions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?…..HAhVrjFVq8

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@Starr Shine? said
What were the Beatles like as parents?

It’s what are they like, Anna. Once a parent, always a parent.

John. Not so good (Julian), good (Sean). Impossible to say how it would have played out if John hadn’t been gunned down by a nutter. John’s excuses about Julian were always about work getting in the way, and he was just starting to work again.

Paul. Largely good. Mary, Stella and James all seem balanced human beings, and successful on their own terms. Heather (Linda’s daughter) is known to have had mental health struggles. Paul has been supportive.

George. With only the one child, Dhani, seems to have been the best parent. Dhani, the man, shows it every day.

Ringo. Not good, but trying to get better. He has disowned both Zak and Lee at times (Lee after she came out as a lesbian). He is still working at becoming a better parent.

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Ron Nasty said

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What were the Beatles like as parents?

Paul. Largely good. Mary, Stella and James all seem balanced human beings, and successful on their own terms. Heather (Linda’s daughter) is known to have had mental health struggles. Paul has been supportive.

 

I just finished reading Man on the Run a few weeks ago, and I was really impressed with what was relayed in that book about how Paul and Linda raised their kids. Definitely a very “hippy” approach (that’s how Paul described it anyway). They took some heat for having their kids travel with the band all the time and choosing to raise them in a rock-and-roll lifestyle, but it seems like they chose that way because they were a pretty tight family unit and Paul and Linda didn’t want to be absentee parents.

In later years, when the touring wasn’t as heavy, they put the kids in regular public schools instead of isolating them in private schools. Even though Paul was a millionaire several times over, they still lived in modest homes and did their own gardening, Paul chopped wood, they raised a bunch of animals … sounds like the kids were in no way spoiled with luxury, and learned the value of hard work.

I loved the stories of how Paul and Linda would have to take breaks from rehearsing with Wings to go and change Stella’s diaper or whatever. And as you pointed out, the kids seem pretty well-rounded today.

Not a bit like Cagney.

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Ron Nasty said

annadog40 said
What were the Beatles like as parents?

Paul. Largely good. Mary, Stella and James all seem balanced human beings, and successful on their own terms. Heather (Linda’s daughter) is known to have had mental health struggles. Paul has been supportive.

 

I just finished reading Man on the Run a few weeks ago, and I was really impressed with what was relayed in that book about how Paul and Linda raised their kids. Definitely a very “hippy” approach (that’s how Paul described it anyway). They took some heat for having their kids travel with the band all the time and choosing to raise them in a rock-and-roll lifestyle, but it seems like they chose that way because they were a pretty tight family unit and Paul and Linda didn’t want to be absentee parents.

In later years, when the touring wasn’t as heavy, they put the kids in regular public schools instead of isolating them in private schools. Even though Paul was a millionaire several times over, they still lived in modest homes and did their own gardening, Paul chopped wood, they raised a bunch of animals … sounds like the kids were in no way spoiled with luxury, and learned the value of hard work.

I loved the stories of how Paul and Linda would have to take breaks from rehearsing with Wings to go and change Stella’s diaper or whatever. And as you pointed out, the kids seem pretty well-rounded today.

Though it is arguable that dragging the kids around had a very negative effect on Heather. She herself has said she feels her nomadic childhood has contributed to her mental health issues. That is why Paul gets a “largely good” from me.

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I poked around for various versions of One After 909 in my library.  I found the song on both the Anthology 2000 and Strong Before our Birth bootlegs.  Both boots list it as a 1960 Cavern Club rehearsal, and Joe’s write up gives some insight. The guitar sounds like a young jangly George – also to me the drums sound like Pete beating on them as he did rather than Ringo’s finesse. 

Anthology 1 has the song as recorded in 1963.

Also, when I said “…Paul and John wrote together” I was referring to the credits, which were always Lennon/McCartney regardless of who wrote most/all of the song.  Agreed that 909 is a John song, but if they performed it in 1960 it would be the longest span between writing and publishing, I think.  That’s part of what I’m getting at, in addition to their earliest published song (which is apparently You’ll Be Mine ). But more about 909…

In Joe’s write up of the song, I found this:

“The group first recorded One After 909 on the same day as From Me To You in 1963. However, two bootleg versions by The Quarrymen exist, dating from 1960, one of which was featured in the Anthology TV series. Two other fascinating live recordings of the song exist, both from a 1962 rehearsal at the Cavern Club.

Paul McCartney later explained how One After 909 was an attempt to write an American railroad song in the style of their musical heroes.

It has great memories for me of John and I trying to write a bluesy freight-train song. There were a lot of those songs at the time, like Midnight Special, Freight Train, Rock Island Line, so this was the One After 909 ; she didn’t get the 909, she got the one after it! It was a tribute to British Rail, actually. No, at the time we weren’t thinking British, it was much more the Super Chief from Omaha.
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Paul is also quoted as dating the song to John at 15yo, but I suspect his memory is a bit off.
 
and this:
 

“Although best known as a Let It Be album track, One After 909 was one of The Beatles’ earliest songs, and was originally recorded in March 1963″.  John is quoted as saying he wrote it when he was “about 17 or 18”, which would put it at 1960 or earlier.

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What were the Beatles like as parents?

 <snippage>

Ringo. Not good, but trying to get better. He has disowned both Zak and Lee at times (Lee after she came out as a lesbian). He is still working at becoming a better parent.

It’s interesting that Ringo, who apparently loves kids (e.g. his work on Thomas the Tank Engine and his involvement with Make-a-Wish), had troubles as a parent.

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Not sure why voicing ‘Thomas The Tank Engine’ would have anything to do with being a good parent or loving kids. Could have just been business and for why Ringo agreed to do it (i think he got shares in return for the one series he did).

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Going back to first songs John and Paul wrote together, ‘Because I Love You So’ was played during the ‘Get Back ‘ rehearsals; its one of my favourite moments from those January 1969 sessions.

Some great pics in that youtube too :) Thanks again!

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Not sure why voicing ‘Thomas The Tank Engine’ would have anything to do with being a good parent or loving kids. Could have just been business and for why Ringo agreed to do it (i think he got shares in return for the one series he did).

Maybe Thomas has no relevance on his parenting skills.  But surely the Make-a-Wish work shows his love of children.  I can’t see that as a purely business venture.  Remember in the bbc broadcasts he often refers to the fans as “kiddies”.  And loving kids is a requirement to be a good parent – but as you point out a good parent also needs other traits.

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Just a slight correction to something @meanmistermustard said.

Not sure why voicing ‘Thomas The Tank Engine’ would have anything to do with being a good parent or loving kids. Could have just been business and for why Ringo agreed to do it (i think he got shares in return for the one series he did)

He actually did the first two series. 26 episodes in 1984 (the first series) and another 26 episodes in 1986 (the second series). He also appeared in the first series of the US version (1989-90), Shining Time Station, as Mr. Conductor (re-recording much of his 1984 and 1986 narration to fit better with the American market). His last involvement was in 2009, when he voiced Thomas for Peter Kay’s Animated All Star Band’s The Official BBC Children in Need Medley. The cover of which played on Pepper:

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Ringo actually turned down the role to begin with. Britt Allcroft had seen him interviewed by Michael Parkinson, and thought his voice was perfect. He had never read the books and felt children would be more interested in “dinosaurs with lasers”. He was persuaded to read the books, and that sold him on the idea, with him later saying he considered himself “one of the few children who had been deprived of them”.

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Dang, a whole series out.

I’m still scarred by Michael Angelis taking over.

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I always think Michael Angelis taking over is one of those weird coincidences, as his brother Paul voiced Ringo in Yellow Submarine (also George after the AWOL soldier was caught and dragged back to barracks to be court-marshalled).

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I don’t believe a particular person or event broke up the Beatles but rather the members having an urge to start something new or different

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Does any one know where I can find the full clip of the part starting at 1:37s in this video (under spoiler)

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