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Miscellaneous questions about the Beatles
31 December 2014
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Hello friends !!
The type of guitar that Paul used in Helter Skelter is the same as George used? I can not differentiate the two guitar!
Oh, Happy New Year to all!

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Rita Eleanor said
Oh, Happy New Year to all!

Happy New Year and a great 2015 for you too, Lovely @Rita Eleanor a-hard-days-night-george-10

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Forsan et haec olim meminisse juvabit” (“Perhaps one day it will be a pleasure to look back on even this”; Virgil, The Aeneid, Book 1, line 203, where Aeneas says this to his men after the shipwreck that put them on the shores of Africa)

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My other passion is classic movies, and lately I’ve noticed these two variations of a name on the credits. The movies are from the 40s so it’s definitely not the same person.

In one movie “Glynis Johns” was listed and in another “Glyns Johns”.

Maybe our Glyns was named after the actor?

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There is also Glyn Johns who was heavily involved in with the Beatles. 

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meanmistermustard said
There is also Glyn Johns who was heavily involved in with the Beatles.

Right mmm that’s the “our Glyns Johns”  I referred to… My premise is that possibly the one associated with the Beatles was named after our related to the actor. It just struck me as a pretty odd name for it to be coincidence.

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@Rita Eleanor I don’t know much about the guitars on Helter Skelter but here I found something on wiki

Paul McCartney ‘s electric guitar parts (solos on “Ticket to Ride“, “Another Girl“, “Taxman“, “Helter Skelter“, “Drive My Car“, “Carry That Weight” and “Good Morning Good Morning[3] to name a few)[4] were chiefly performed on his own Epiphone Casino or sunburst Fender Esquire.

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Did Brian ever encourage The Beatles to get more traditional haircuts? He got them out of leather jackets and skinny pants to make them more “acceptable”.

Would The Beatles have had even more success if they had had more traditional haircuts? Perhaps more people would have listened to their music, perhaps? They wouldn’t have dismissed them so quickly, perhaps? Or were the haircuts part of “the package” that helped them have the wild success that they did?

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ahdn_paul_06 I think the hair cuts helped their appeal with being rebels but not too much rebels since they had the suits

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Spot on, @Starr Shine? 

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I thought the haircuts were something John & Paul brought back from Paris after running into their old Exi friend Jurgen Vollmer.

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Who really broke up the Beatles? John? Yoko? Paul? All of them? Brian Epstein’s death (my vote)…just curious.

I think it wasn’t just one person. It had run its course and I think they were all ready for a break from each other but factors like Yoko brought it to an end sooner.

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Astrid cut Stu’s hair into the style first, John and Paul went to France, met Jurgen and came back with it, and then George got it. Pete refused to do so and it was what Ringo had to get done when he joined.

It’s in the ‘Anthology’ book.

          PAUL: We went up to Montmartre because of all the artists, and the Folies Bergères, and we saw guys walking around in short leather jackets and very wide pantaloons. Talk about fashion! This was going to kill them when we got back. This was totally happening. They were tight to the knee and then they flared out; they must have been about fifty inches around the bottom and our drainpipe trousers were something like fifteen or sixteen inches. (Fifteen were the best, but you couldn’t really get your foot through at fifteen, so sixteen was acceptable.) We saw these trousers and said, ‘Excusez-moi, Monsieur, où did you get them?’ It was a cheap little rack down the street so we bought a pair each, went back to the hotel, put them on, went out on the street – and we couldn’t handle it: ‘Do your feet feel like they are flapping? Feel more comfortable in me drainies, don’t you?’ So it was back to the hotel at a run, needle and cotton out and we took them in to a nice sixteen with which we were quite happy. And then we met Jürgen Vollmer on the street. He was still taking pictures.

            JOHN: Jürgen also had bell-bottom trousers, but we thought that would be considered too queer back in Liverpool. We didn’t want to appear feminine or anything like that, because our audience in Liverpool still had a lot of fellas. (We were playing rock, dressed in leather, though Paul’s ballads were bringing in more and more girls.)67 Anyway, Jürgen had a flattened-down hairstyle with a fringe in the front, which we rather took to. We went over to his place and there and then he cut – hacked would be a better word – our hair into the same style.63

            PAUL: He had his hair Mod-style. We said, ‘Would you do our hair like yours?’ We’re on holiday – what the hell! We’re buying capes and pantaloons, throwing caution to the wind. He said, ‘No, boys, no. I like you as Rocker; you look great.’ But we begged him enough so he said ‘all right’. He didn’t do it quite the same as his.

            His was actually more coming over to one side. A kind of long-haired Hitler thing, and we’d wanted that, so it was really a bit of an accident. We sat down in his hotel and he just got it – the ‘Beatle’ cut!

            For the rest of that week we were like Paris Existentialists. Jean Paul Sartre had nothing on us. This was it. ‘Sod them all – I could write a novel from what I learnt this week.’ It was all inside me. I could do anything now.

            RINGO: What a sight they looked when they arrived back!

            PAUL: When we got back to Liverpool it was all, ‘Eh, your hair’s gone funny.’ – ‘No, this is the new style.’

            We nearly tried to change it back but it wouldn’t go, it kept flapping forward. And that just caught on. We weren’t really into the coiffure. It was like Mo’s out of the Three Stooges. It fell forward in a fringe. But it was great for us because we never had to style it or anything – wash it, towel it, turn upside down and give it a shake, and that was it. Everyone thought we had started it, so it became ‘the Beatle hairdo’.

            JOHN: We go along with the trends, we always have done. To a degree we can make a trend popular – we don’t usually invent clothes, we wear something we like and then maybe people follow us. Our original style was continental, because English people wore English kinds of clothes. Then continental styles caught on in England, too.65

            I was ashamed to go on the Continent and say I was British before we made it. The Beatles have tried to change Britain’s image. We changed the hairstyles and clothes of the world, including America – they were a very square and sorry lot when we went over.69

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And since this all happened a month or so (I think) before they had ‘formally’ met Mr. Epstein, there as no need for him to bring up haircuts.

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C.R.A. said

And since this all happened a month or so (I think) before they had ‘formally’ met Mr. Epstein, there as no need for him to bring up haircuts.

I was just wondering because Brian got them to change their clothing style (while performing at least). Is there anything to suggest he ever talked to them about changing their haircuts to something more traditional.

Do we know how The Beatles parents felt about the haircuts?

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To me, if they had “normal” hair cuts or kept the teddy boy look, then they would have just looked like every other band. No major appeal ya know. No stand out. They helped begin a different trend from their hair to their music. More kids, typically girls, listened to their music during the early years because they (The Beatles) were cute with their funny little hair style. Different from Elvis, Buddy Holley, Ricky Nelson, etc. Besides to me, when I look at the early pictures say around 1962, their hair is fairly clean cut and maintained. Then again, I’m from a different time.

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Ahhh Girl said

C.R.A. said

And since this all happened a month or so (I think) before they had ‘formally’ met Mr. Epstein, there as no need for him to bring up haircuts.

I was just wondering because Brian got them to change their clothing style (while performing at least). Is there anything to suggest he ever talked to them about changing their haircuts to something more traditional.

Do we know how The Beatles parents felt about the haircuts?

Ahhh (Girl) I get it now.  I’m back into Tune In and (seriously) I’ll keep an eye for anything about all that and let you know (if no one else does beforehand).

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Merci, Monsieur @C.R.A..

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The Beatle haircut was a big deal – a really big deal. Everyone was talking about it from young fans to their parents. I hated the monthly ritual of a haircut and if I could spin out the gap between hairdresser visits to five, six or seven weeks, I felt like I had won a small victory.

When the Beatles came along with their long hair, it was a dream come true for me. I was able to say to my parents: “See, boys CAN have long hair”. They weren’t overly impressed but they did develop a more relaxed attitude to my haircuts and I managed to persuade them that I no longer needed cream or oil on my hair after getting it cut, which was quite a common habit back then.

Eventually, as I got older, my hair followed the style of the hippie age and it became exceptionally long. I loved it and my hair is still long today – slightly longer than the Beatlecut that did so much to change habits and fashions.

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If Brian or someone had convinced The Beatles to have more traditional haircuts, then maybe the girls wouldn’t have screamed so loud at the concerts and would have been able to hear/would have listened to the music which is what The Beatles wanted them to do. They were proud of their music and wanted people to appreciate them as musicians. There might not have been a reason for John to say that they were more popular than Jesus, and therefore, no firecracker at the concert in Memphis. Maybe The Beatles would have toured much longer and stayed together as a group much longer.

Perhaps all of this should have gone into the “What if…” game. a-hard-days-night-ringo-4

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Ahhh Girl said
If Brian or someone had convinced The Beatles to have more traditional haircuts, then maybe the girls wouldn’t have screamed so loud at the concerts and would have been able to hear/would have listened to the music which is what The Beatles wanted them to do. They were proud of their music and wanted people to appreciate them as musicians. There might not have been a reason for John to say that they were more popular than Jesus, and therefore, no firecracker at the concert in Memphis. Maybe The Beatles would have toured much longer and stayed together as a group much longer.

Perhaps all of this should have gone into the “What if…” game. a-hard-days-night-ringo-4

So @Ahhh Girl has cracked the mystery. If anything/anyone was to blame for the eventual breakup, it was the Beatles’ haircut.a-hard-days-night-john-2

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