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Miscellaneous questions about the Beatles
13 October 2014
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I read here it's either John or Paul.a-hard-days-night-john-6

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Hello friends! You know tell me if I find a stereo version of Twist And Shout that John's vocals are on one side and George and Paul are from another? Hugs

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14 October 2014
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@Rita Eleanor Afraid not, RE. The Beatles earliest recordings were 2-track, which generally meant that the instruments went on one track, and the vocals on the other. That made the vocals impossible to separate when the stereo mix was done.

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14 October 2014
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This explains the fact that the stereo version has the echo of the vocals of John on the other side. I so wish I had way to separate the music would be even more amazing!

Thank for the answer!

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17 October 2014
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When does the Beatles song copyright run out?

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17 October 2014
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@Starr Shine? This depends on the laws in individual countries. Members of the European Union (of which the UK is currently one) are covered by a common law across all member states: 70 years from release, 50 years from creation for unreleased recordings. This is why, at the end of last year, we saw the iTunes release of The Bootleg Recordings 1963, which collected together common bootleg recordings and gave them copyright protection. At least two collections have been released using 1962 and 1963 recordings that The Beatles did not protect.

In the US, for recordings released prior to February 1972, surprisingly they are only covered by state laws, and so it varies from state to state.

Copyright is an incredibly confusing area as there is no international standard, which makes your question virtually impossible to answer.

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17 October 2014
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...and yet, you did. Nice job as usual. Thanks.mal-evans

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22 October 2014
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Hello friends! Not sure this is the right topic for this question, but I wonder if any of you ever read the book Recordings Discussed & Complete Discography author Jeff Russell.

If anyone has read, he talks in detail (the kind of guitar for example) the instruments? And it's good content (better than the Recording Sessions of Mark Lewisohn)? I'm thinking about buying it, if you know me say I appreciate ... hugs!

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22 October 2014
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@Rita Eleanor If the book you're talking about is The Beatles: Album File and Complete Discography (the only book I know by Russell), it's not a book I'd recommend.

First published in 1982, and updated in 2005 (I have both versions), it is full of mistakes and inaccuracies. The update was poor, adding only basic information on the post-1982 releases, and there was no correction of any of the mistakes and inaccuracies in the 1982 version.

The 1982 version was important, the first attempt at such a book, but Lewisohn and Winn's research came later and added a whole lot of information that is missing from this book. The mistakes in the 1982 can be excused as facts were sparse.

The 2005 update is probably the worst book I have ever read on The Beatles, and just an excuse to make money without putting in the work. Why bother updating a book 20+ years later and ignore all the information that has come to light since?

You'll learn far more reading Joe's entries on the songs here and not have to worry about mistakes.

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Thank truth, @Ron Nasty . I was going to end up buying and would throw money away.

Joe's articles are very good and I use many of them, but I have not found types of guitars (Gibson, Rickenbacker, for example) I just think this kind of information in Wikipedia and I specifically wanted each song (if you know some site and can direct me). 

Already take this cue to ask what you think of The Beatles Anthology BOOK compared to Bob Spitz. The Bob Spitz've ever read and I found it very good content, and in my opinion is one of the best (although the Geoff Emerick is very exciting). What can you tell me the book The Beatles Anthology?

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26 October 2014
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@Rita Eleanor, check out this thread. I, myself think it is an excellent book.

 

My question: Which songs did The Beatles write in the fifties (or started writing in the fifties)?

26 October 2014
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I'm sure Lennon-McCartney wrote another 200 songs but they didn't record it

4 songs i know they wrote in 50s are

I Lost My Little Girl (Paul's first one, inspired by his mother's death)

Hello Little Girl (John's first one)

I'll Follow The Sun (Paul wrote it when he was bored at home, i think it was 1958)

Michelle ( Paul wrote this radio hit either in 1958 or 59)

John and Paul would miss school to write songs together and they would usually trash the songs which they couldn't remember the next day.

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And In Spite Of All The Danger which was by Paul and George

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Who sang with Helen Shapiro on "Look who it is"? The voice doesn't sound like anyone of them...did they contribute in terms of the instrumental?

26 October 2014
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@StrawberryFieldsForever Assuming you are talking about the Ready, Steady, Go! performance that appears on YouTube, where Shapiro is seen singing the song to John, George and Ringo, she is miming to her studio recording of the song, which had nothing to do with The Beatles.

It's just a humorous way of visually presenting the song - they were both on the same episode, and so it seemed a good idea to have her sing each verse to a Beatle.

"The song had just three verses, so only three of them could appear. They flipped a coin or something to see who would be on, and Paul came up short," she recalled years later.

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@Ron Nasty said
@StrawberryFieldsForever Assuming you are talking about the Ready, Steady, Go! performance that appears on YouTube, where Shapiro is seen singing the song to John, George and Ringo, she is miming to her studio recording of the song, which had nothing to do with The Beatles.

It's just a humorous way of visually presenting the song - they were both on the same episode, and so it seemed a good idea to have her sing each verse to a Beatle.

"The song had just three verses, so only three of them could appear. They flipped a coin or something to see who would be on, and Paul came up short," she recalled years later.

Yup, that's the one. Google searches gave me the impression that the Beatles actually participated musically. Her voice sounds a bit manly all throughout...except for the opening line. 

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Not aware of any Beatles involvement in Shapiro's 'Look Who It Is', tho she did sing a verse each to John, Ringo and George respectively on 'Ready, Steady Go'.

The stories of John and Paul writing hundreds of songs before releasing 'Love Me Do ' is thought to be a very generous estimate. I think 'Thinking of Linking' and 'Because I Love You So' were written in the 50's but my memory sucks.

'Love Me Do ' was written around 1958, John's on record saying Paul started writing it when he was 16 and John helped out on the middle eight.

Large parts of 'What Goes On ' were written in the mid-fifties before being finished off in 1965 - John: "That was an early Lennon, written before the Beatles when we were the Quarrymen or something like that. And resurrected with a middle-eight thrown in, probably with Paul's help, to give Ringo a song... and also to use the bits, because I never liked to waste anything.".

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I'll Follow The Sun (Paul wrote it when he was bored at home, i think it was 1958)

Michelle ( Paul wrote this radio hit either in 1958 or 59)

And they are such masterpieces! The guy was sixteen, seventeen years old. A true genius.

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So Pink Floyd is releasing a new album, which was initially recorded 20 years ago. Don't we (beatles) have some recording from White Album /Abbey Road / Sgt Pepper that's not released yet. I know only two, "Madman" and "Carnivals of Lights" (which i just learned today, thanks to BB). If we don't have enough songs for an album what about an EP or we got nothing  ? 

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If you mean totally unheard songs and not alternate takes of tracks we already here there are very things kicking about in the vaults which we haven't heard and nothing to get too excited about or base a new album around. 'Carnival Of Light ' is not your every day song, its said to be even more way-out than 'Revolution 9 ' and 'Madman' is a Lennon composed track that was loosely performed during the 'Get Back ' sessions and has been commonly bootlegged (see video below).

The largest well of material is from the 'Get Back ' sessions however you can forget about at least 90% of it as they are uninspired jams, rehearsals, breakdowns, fragments of run-throughs, or half-hearted performances. The other 10% (if that) might be ok for an album but Apple like to appeal to the masses and i cannot see the masses buying a 'Get Back ' sessions album, especially with the reputation those sessions have.

George vetoed the last remaining demo Yoko gave them to work on during the Anthology sessions and now with George gone it would for me be very much against his wishes for Paul and Ringo to go back to 'Now And Then', finish it off and put it out (tho rumours fly that this has been done).

Pink Floyd's newest album has seen unreleased material being reworked with fresh input from the remaining members to get it to a releasable and acceptable standard. I am vehemently against Paul and Ringo returning to any recordings, adding new overdubs and slapping 'The Beatles' name on it.

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