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"It's Someone's Bad Handwroter" - The Beatles Autographs Thread
11 February 2015
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I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Zig in that they don't look familiar.

It may be worth something depending on the story behind it (like the Mal and Neil thing), but there's really no way to prove that they signed it the Beatles didn't.

Clean old men have been known to sell forgeries to young women in early 60's Britain.

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I am sorry to say this, but I am unfortunately not convinced the signatures are genuine. Neil Aspinall and Mal Evans (their roadies) often provided their "autographs", using different pens to give the impression of different hands.

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You should be able to see that there are obvious differences.

Obviously, though, as something that has come from the Beatles camp, it has a value, though I am unsure what it is.

And, equally obviously, I could be wrong about how genuine the signatures are. As I say, they don't look quite right to me, but I'm no expert.

Your best bet would to contact one of the London auction houses, like Sotherby's (who regularly have Beatles sales), and send them the jpg's. You will always get the best via auction. Selling them to an autograph company, they will factor in their profit. Autographs in auction often go to collectors/fans who have no interest in selling them on, meaning a higher price is often reached.

As to dating, the photo is a Dezo Hoffman 1963 publicity picture, which would likely make it 1963 or 1964, though - if obtained in the UK - I would lean toward 1963.

Genuine, several thousand, while not, but if thought to be Neil or Mal, maybe a £100 or so, maybe less.

I apologise if the suggestion they are not genuine disappoints. In the end, only experts in their signatures can say yay or nay.

As I said, a London auction house would be the best approach you could make.

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I agree that the autographs probably aren't genuine, and that a major auction house will be able to authenticate.

I should say, though, that the publicity postcard looks like it's in fantastic condition. It's rare that these things are that well preserved, because they weren't seen as having any value. The Neil/Mal autograph sets do appear at auction, so £100 isn't out of the question.

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Thx very much for the quick replies. It's quite dissapointing to hear that it might be fake :(. But I'll send the pic to sotheby's to be shure I'll keep you guys posted.

Hehe maybe they where drunk or fly'n high when they signed this card and that's why it's all messed up :P

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Ted Schaar wrote several articles concerning Beatles memorabilia given out when they were on TWA Flight 703 in August 13, 1965.

http://www.schaarcommunication.....story.html

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I found these sites while gathering information on a TWA promotional package I had purchased from a woman who was a teen in 1965 whose father was an executive for TWA in Kansas City , Missouri.  He knew Bill Liss who promoted TWA and escorted the Beatles on this flight from the UK to the USA.

Among the TWA photographs and 1966 (the following year) teletype printouts that the AP sent out on their 1966 tour, were a TWA letter with the four Beatles signatures, a Parlophone 45 record and green sleeve and a black and white photograph (TWA in the background) with sharpie autographs (three were black and Ringo's was in red).

I believe the Parlophone jacket is the work of Neil Aspinall.  The stewardess on the Flight 703 received one with the first names, as well, but in different positions.  A number of Black and White photographs were handed out and some were signed with full signatures.  The letter head, envelope and Beatles signatures were unique and Bill Liss, who is still living as of 2015, said he personally had the Beatles sign this sheet, which was mailed several days after the flight had landed in New York.

I am attaching these for you inspection and comments.  I have owned these for thirty years or more.

My thoughts:

The TWA letter, envelope and Beatles autographs on the Helmer stationary is authentic.

The Parlophone is a Neil Aspinall signed before the TWA Flight 703 to hand out on the aircraft. (?)

The Black and White photograph with the three black sharpie and faint Ringo in red is consistent with the TWA stewardess's copy and might be authentic.  Although several others were handed out in New Jersey by a member of the crew in his neighborhood.  I have so assume they were unsigned, but nobody seems to know for sure. (?)DSCN1630.jpgImage Enlarger

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I have Paul's autograph I will post a photo when I get it out and take a photo 

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Autographs are strange things. I mean, think about it. Those people use their signatures to sign contracts and all and then other people want to have it on cd's, setlists, books, pictures and stuff. That's pretty random, who came up with that idea of asking famous people for their autographs. How did this come about? Does anyone have a clue?

I don't know what I've got tonight but I'm pondering the most random things.

 

I don't know the answer to your question, but I think many celebrities have an autograph... and then they have a signature, if you get what I mean. It's very well possible the autographs they give to fans are different from the signature they use for legal documents. I know (and have) at least one example of that being the case, and I'd say it's common sense for artists to do that.

 

I don't have any Beatley autographs, I'm sorry to say. Hoping to get Paul's in June but chances are very slim. I'm doing what I can to get pulled out of the audience, though. You never know...

 

I do have Thomas Acda, Paul de Munnik, and David Middelhoff of the band Acda en De Munnik. Justin Sandercoe signed my guitar and signed/inscribed some of my guitar books. I used to also have a bunch of famous football players' autograph, all of them played at Ajax Amsterdam at the time (1991-1992, the team that won everything). I even corresponded with Stefan Pettersson for a while. I also used to have a bunch of autographs from Star Trek actors. Tim Russ and Robert Picardo I still have, but all the others, including a rare and valuable photo of 'Endgame', signed by Alice Krige and Kate Mulgrew, got lost when I moved into my first flat. I had Richard Dean Anderson's autograph at some point as well. That also got lost.

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I think many celebrities have an autograph... and then they have a signature, if you get what I mean. It's very well possible the autographs they give to fans are different from the signature they use for legal documents. I know (and have) at least one example of that being the case, and I'd say it's common sense for artists to do that.

You are correct. I've seen autographs from athletes that featured their name and jersey number*. If memory serves, Ringo added a little something to his autograph as well in the days of Beatlemania. 

*It makes me wonder what jersey number John Hancock wore. I've only seen his signature on one proper document.

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As promised here is a photo of my framed autograph from Paul and Linda, I am going to change the frame because I have had it since I was 14 and all I could afford was a cheap frame and the glass is not great for the postcard.

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^ That's class!

I'm very jealous.

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^ That's class!

I'm very jealous.

It is my prized possession, when I was 14 I sent Paul a postcard from Ireland with a sheep on it saying it reminded me of his album Ram and I wanted him to see it.  A couple of weeks later the postcard came back in the post with the autographs with a thank you letter.  

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 Me too!

Anyways, I think I that one of my backpacks is autographed by Brett Hart's brother (not very interesting, in my opinion). Other than that, I have my own autograph... ahdn_george_08

I also might be planning to send something to Klaus, but I'm still trying to decide whether I should and what I'd have for him to sign (maybe I could send him a letter and he could possibly send one back signed? a-hard-days-night-paul-10 I don't know. Anyone got any ideas?).

Here is the thingy: http://m.fanmail.biz/89796.html

(Sorry if that doesn't work, I'm not sure how to add links yet ahdn_paul_01 )

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^ Aww, that's sweet. He doesn't or rarely anyways, answer fanmail anymore so that's a rarity nowadays.

 

Do you still have the thank you letter?

 

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I also might be planning to send something to Klaus, but I'm still trying to decide whether I should and what I'd have for him to sign (maybe I could send him a letter and he could possibly send one back signed? a-hard-days-night-paul-10 I don't know. Anyone got any ideas?).

Klaus doesn't write letters (I don't think), you'd have to really pique his interest for him to sit down and write back to you.

However he is a legend for sending back autographs so there's that. One of the few, who nearly always sends you back stuff (just remember to put in a bit of money to cover the cost of a stamp back).

If you have a copy of 'Revolver ', that's always a good one. (I should send him the cover of his book- that I am still working at by the way, French exams got in my way but I should, should, should have a chapter soon...please don't hurt me.)

I'll be in good ol' Germany in August, so I might send it in July and give him the address of where I'll be in Germany, hoping to get it back by August.

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^ Aww, that's sweet. He doesn't or rarely anyways, answer fanmail anymore so that's a rarity nowadays.

 

Do you still have the thank you letter?

My parents have that, I originally wanted Paul to sign a birthday card for me and sent him the postcard to get on his good side but in the letter they said they can't sign the card but sent the postcard back signed which was the best birthday present ever 

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Thanks, ASJ! apple01 I actually do have a (perhaps an eighties reissue? It says Apple in place of Parlaphone/whatever label it would have been on, but I'd have to check for a year) copy of Revolver that I could send the sleeve from to him. A bonus: It's German. a-hard-days-night-george-10

I guess it makes sense that he doesn't often write back letters, as not everyone has enough time for such a thing as that. Although, I think I'll write a tiny blurb or whatever you'd call it just for him to read, and he could take it from there.

I'm very excited now! I'll just have to ask for permission first and also find out how exactly to send the sleeve (I've never mailed anything to another country before) and how much money to include for the stamps to send it back.

....And don't worry, I won't hurt you if you're ever late on the chapters. a-hard-days-night-george-9

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My friend acquired this signed Sgt Pepper 's LP through an estate sale recently.  I am quite skeptical when it comes to Autographed Beatles items, as there are many many fake/forged signatures out there. 

I am by no means a professional, or am I skilled at analyzing the authenticity of autographs, but my friend needs some help.

My first initial thoughts on seeing this, is that these are incredibly fake. The pressing is an original US 1967, but otherwise I dont believe silver sharpies were commonplace in that day. And how common was it for John Lennon to sign with his face? I know he was usually one to write messages to fans. 

Just seeking others opinions. 

 

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I'm no handwriting analyst, but you can see multiple examples of each Beatle's autograph if you google them, and these don't look quite right. None of them.

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George's looks wrong. In most of his early signatures the second 'g' in George comes down farther, making the 'h' in Harrison not touch any of the letters in 'George'. George's signatures also usually end with pressure on the 'n' as well.
(The Sharpies we know came around in 1964.)

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There a fake, here's why. To start, All we have to do is look at John's for proof:

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The autograph more resembles his later type, but has a dip into the J that the authentic one lacks, therefore you have a counterfiet.

Don't be sad though because even if it looks perfect, it could still be a forgery. For example, I used to work at a record store and every now and then, we used to forge autographs onto things, typically by using a sample on a piece of paper and carefully tracing it onto the item, for example, shortly after George Harrison died, me and my friend decided to put his autograph onto a copy of All Things Must Pass . Also, sometimes Mal and Neil would forge autographs.

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