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If you could change ONE thing about the Beatles, what would it be?
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TheTaxmansGirl
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12 August 2011 - 6.01pm

Pull that cigarette out of George's mouth. So he still might be alive today.

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16 August 2011 - 11.33am

yoko-ono-01Yoko

Sont des mots qui vont très bien ensemble.

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20 November 2011 - 7.44pm

I wish they had realised a new album between Magical Mystery Tour and White Album with unrealesed songs like Child Of Nature,Can you take me back (the whole piece), Junk, songs from the early years like In Spite Of All The Danger etc....I have been feeling for a long time that something is missing from beatles discography...apple01

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20 November 2011 - 10.23pm

Their longevity as a band.  Although several factors played a role in the early breakup, Paul was the one who officially put the nail in the coffin with his lawsuit.  John and George just wanted an extra outlet for songs not deemed commercial enough to be included on a  Beatles' release.  I enjoy most of their solo releases but the music these four guys from Liverpool created together was pure magic.apple01

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20 November 2011 - 11.51pm

There isnt much. They split at the right time, still at the top having produced one of their best albums Abbey Road, and there were too many problems and differences to keep it all going. I agree Brian living longer would definately be up there and as also said previously a role with the beatles would have been there for him. They wouldnt ever cast him aside as they were very loyal.

I would change how they split. All the acrimony and hell all 4 went thru to become individuals was a horrid way for the Beatles as a group to break up.

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris) 

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21 November 2011 - 12.36am

The lack of a reunion

"She looks more like him than I do."

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kedame
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21 November 2011 - 2.16am

I don't think I'd change anything. I know this sounds blasphemous, but I'm glad they broke up when they did. It gave George the freedom to create his own music without input or scorn from the others. It gave John the time he desired with his wife and time to make his political/angry/venting music that wasn't really suited to The Beatles image. It gave Paul the opportunity to have a nice family life and make his music his way, without having to deal with others getting frustrated over his songs being virtually completed before they could add much to them. It gave Ringo the opportunity to branch out into the film industry, though I think he fared the worst professionally and personally in the 20 or so years after the Beatles broke up.

It also allowed them to remain sort of frozen in time. Their music has a sort of mystic quality precisely because they never reunited. When it was over, it was over.

I am sorry they didn't get on as well as they did when they were younger, but that happens to everyone at some point or another. We all grow up, and so did they. I do wish John and Paul could have at least written together again or got along a lot better than they did before John died. George, too...I wish he had reconciled with John before his death.

Anyway, I think everything mostly played out like it should have.

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GniknuS
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21 November 2011 - 6.24am

Right, I think it sort of adds to the mystique that they didn't get back together. Like it was only a time period thing, it could have only happened in the experimental 60's where they tried so much together. The thing that I always come back to is how much they tried, not just drugs but life in general. They had all of these different interests that only expanded over time, it started innocently right from the beginning with John and Paul always being interested in poetry and things like that and obviously expanded into Indian culture and avant garde stuff and politics and other things. But they always came together and were able to put their differences aside and I've always thought it was for love. It almost sounds silly but they all believed in love and love isn't some intangible thing, it can be measured and have an impact.

Consider an experiment done in 1993 by the Transcendental Meditation Program in Washington D.C.. D.C. is home to one of the most violent inner cities in America, and this group wanted to bring the crime rate down by 25% in the city. There were 4,000 people in the group and for a month and a half from June to late July of that year, all they did was meditate in the city and sure enough the crime rate dropped by about 24%.

So tying that to the Beatles, their greatest work was done with love or with the inspiration of love and their lesser works (Let it Be) were done in their greatest turmoil. So if love wouldn't have been their motivating factor for a reunion, which I sincerely doubt it would have been, a reunion ultimately would have flopped. They outgrew each other and came to love other things or people more than the bond of being the Beatles, and it's this shift in mindset that led to their demise because love will always be the foremost factor in the journey of life.

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21 November 2011 - 6.56pm

a-hard-days-night-ringo-8GniknuS, that was a deep and beautiful post. I agree with you, I wouldn't want them to get back together either. I'm glad they all became friends again, at least relatively, but a reunion would have just felt wrong.

That Transcendental Meditation thing is amazing, I live in Washington and I've never heard about it. If sitting around meditating does so much…what would teaching people in tough situations how to meditate, spreading the movement if you will, do? What  kind of an impact would meditation sessions at, for instance, homeless shelters have? This is getting me thinking…a-hard-days-night-ringo-7

"Now and then, though, someone does begin to grow differently. Instead of down, his feet grow up toward the sky. But we do our best to discourage awkward things like that."

"What happens to them?" insisted Milo.

"Oddly enough, they often grow ten times the size of everyone else," said Alec thoughtfully, "and I’ve heard that they walk among the stars."

The Phantom Tollbooth

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21 November 2011 - 7.01pm

I probably answered this earlier, but you really know what I'd change? The existence of Free As A Bird and Real Love as Beatles songs. Such a waste.

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

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21 November 2011 - 7.02pm

a-hard-days-night-ringo-8Not have recorded them for Anthology, you mean? I'm a little confused.

"Now and then, though, someone does begin to grow differently. Instead of down, his feet grow up toward the sky. But we do our best to discourage awkward things like that."

"What happens to them?" insisted Milo.

"Oddly enough, they often grow ten times the size of everyone else," said Alec thoughtfully, "and I’ve heard that they walk among the stars."

The Phantom Tollbooth

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21 November 2011 - 7.11pm

As in have kept them only as solo Lennon songs.

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

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21 November 2011 - 8.19pm

On the HELP! album, I would have replaced "Act Naturally" with "If You've Got Trouble". I know I'm in the minority here, but I really like that song. Besides, the version heard on Anthology is only the first take.

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21 November 2011 - 8.24pm

Zig said:

On the HELP! album, I would have replaced "Act Naturally" with "If You've Got Trouble". I know I'm in the minority here, but I really like that song. Besides, the version heard on Anthology is only the first take.

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Sometimes when the whole song stinks you have to walk away. The lyrics were/are terrible and so was the musicianship. Admittedly the words to Its Only Love are also terrible but it sounds great.

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris) 

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22 November 2011 - 2.34am

seaglass eyes sunny smile said:

a-hard-days-night-ringo-8GniknuS, that was a deep and beautiful post. I agree with you, I wouldn't want them to get back together either. I'm glad they all became friends again, at least relatively, but a reunion would have just felt wrong.

That Transcendental Meditation thing is amazing, I live in Washington and I've never heard about it. If sitting around meditating does so much…what would teaching people in tough situations how to meditate, spreading the movement if you will, do? What  kind of an impact would meditation sessions at, for instance, homeless shelters have? This is getting me thinking…a-hard-days-night-ringo-7

Right, and couldn't meditation be a realistic way to end or at least lower crime in cities since it worked once? I don't want to get too far into this, but you have to wonder who is suppressing this information and why a project like this hasn't been tried in every city...the answer is most likely an unfortunate one but I won't depress you with my opinion.

It makes me wonder why meditation isn't taught in schools because what meditation forces you to do is think. The actual process of meditation is intentionally mind clearing but it eventually makes you consider your own life. If this were taught at younger and younger ages, the effects could be phenomenal.

I sat on a rug, biding my time, drinking her wine

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seaglass eyes sunny smile
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22 November 2011 - 7.03pm

a-hard-days-night-ringo-8I've done meditation at school, in chapels and religion classes (I go to an Episcopal school) also my dance class which I take for sports.

It's very calming and nice. Really improves my day.

I think people aren't big on TM because they see it as mysticism/brainwashing.

This could be an amazing anti-crime pro-peace-n'-love idea. There's a homeless shelter in my neighborhood, I've volunteered there before, I might check there and talk to them about it.

"Now and then, though, someone does begin to grow differently. Instead of down, his feet grow up toward the sky. But we do our best to discourage awkward things like that."

"What happens to them?" insisted Milo.

"Oddly enough, they often grow ten times the size of everyone else," said Alec thoughtfully, "and I’ve heard that they walk among the stars."

The Phantom Tollbooth

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25 November 2011 - 4.27pm

kedame said:

I don't think I'd change anything. I know this sounds blasphemous, but I'm glad they broke up when they did. It gave George the freedom to create his own music without input or scorn from the others. It gave John the time he desired with his wife and time to make his political/angry/venting music that wasn't really suited to The Beatles image. It gave Paul the opportunity to have a nice family life and make his music his way, without having to deal with others getting frustrated over his songs being virtually completed before they could add much to them. It gave Ringo the opportunity to branch out into the film industry, though I think he fared the worst professionally and personally in the 20 or so years after the Beatles broke up.

It also allowed them to remain sort of frozen in time. Their music has a sort of mystic quality precisely because they never reunited. When it was over, it was over.

I am sorry they didn't get on as well as they did when they were younger, but that happens to everyone at some point or another. We all grow up, and so did they. I do wish John and Paul could have at least written together again or got along a lot better than they did before John died. George, too…I wish he had reconciled with John before his death.

Anyway, I think everything mostly played out like it should have.

I think this is a pretty mature view to take. Paul has said a number of times that they were not the "gang" that they were when they started anymore and they as individuals were hanging in terms of what they wanted to of life. They were entitled to move on and do other things. They gave us a lot of great music as a band–it'd selfish of us to think they should have stayed together just because the fans wanted that.

 

For me, I'd change John being murdered–or is that off the table? He just didn't deserve that and what an awful thing to burden his loved ones and friends with, as well as us fans and the whole Beatles legacy.  Chapman claims to be remorseful and to understand the harm he did now, but I can't see how he could possibly grasp the enormity of hurt he caused and what he robbed from countless people by simply taking John's presence in the world from us. It's just so wrong. I'll stop dwelling on now, because I'm making myself cry. 

I'm not a girl who misses much.

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25 November 2011 - 5.10pm

 I will clarify, by saying a reunion – I meant a reunion based on the perspective of mature adults who reach the point that they realize that indeed love could overcome their differences (the majority of which were petty).

Jack Douglas said that during the recording of Double Fantasy John was talking openly about "getting the boys back together" for Ringo's next album.

To me the lack of a sincere reunion almost (I am saying almost) undermines their core message of love.

John and George died completely unreconciled with each other. They were not friends, they were former friends. John and Paul were at best estranged friends. As were Paul and George until the very end, when, because Paul had the notice of time, (something no one had in John's death) he went to George and we can guess they sort of reconciled.

Even the recording of the Anthology songs reminded George that he did not want to work with Paul again.

Ringo is left, ever the peacemaker, with a broken heart which shows up every time he discusses the break up. He doesn't miss the music as much as misses the brotherhood.

Paul, I sense, carries deep remorse over many things. He knows he didn't handle things well with them and he knows they didn't handle him well.

If we take the song We Can Work It Out – they didn't, did they? And John's middle eight warning was all the too prophetic – "Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend . . ." – they sang it but couldn't live it.

Regardless of the music a friendship reunion would have been a gift they could have (and I believe eventually would have) given to each other.

The fact is they didn't die as friends. And that opportunity has passed.

That's the lesson we can still learn today. And we ought to. Make up with your friends – we're all one bullet away.

"She looks more like him than I do."

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