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If Brian Epstein Lived?
10 June 2018
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Rendersen25
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Hey guys, I'm curious as to what you'd think if Brian Epstein had not overdosed in 1967. Would the band have stayed together? Would he eventually get fired? And what about Apple?

11 June 2018
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I think they might have stayed together though may be Paul would have tried to fire him...which probably would have lead the other three to kill Paul and replace him with a guy picked up from a casual McCartney look-alike contest...more or less...

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Shamrock Womlbs said
I think they might have stayed together though may be Paul would have tried to fire him...which probably would have lead the other three to kill Paul and replace him with a guy picked up from a casual McCartney look-alike contest...more or less...  

Ha, love it. 

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15 June 2018
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Rendersen25 said
Hey guys, I'm curious as to what you'd think if Brian Epstein had not overdosed in 1967. Would the band have stayed together? Would he eventually get fired? And what about Apple?  

With Brian and a few others there to oversee Apple and deal with it's business side as well as it's other activities e.g. Apple Films and the boutique, I think such things wouldn't have intervened with The Beatles' studio work and caused as great tensions as it did between them in 1968 - 70. Perhaps, if The Beatles did call it quits in a universe where Brian lives, it probably would've ended on a lighter note than the lawsuit. Heck, maybe they stay together a few years (or even decades) further under Brian's management.

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Rendersen25 said
Hey guys, I'm curious as to what you'd think if Brian Epstein had not overdosed in 1967. Would the band have stayed together? Would he eventually get fired? And what about Apple?

  

I agree with John Lennon 's assessment that Brian's death was ultimately the cause of the Beatles' breakup. All of the other issues might not have come up or would have been "fixed" by Brian. I don't believe that Apple Corps would have been created under Brian's watch, at least not in the form as we came to know it under the Beatles direction. Brian would have managed the company more responsibly. All of the tension the Beatles suffered while trying to play businessmen would not have occurred. There would have been no Allen Klein.

But Brian's management fee would have been cut from 25% to at least 20%, if not 15%. One of Brian's once important duties (booking, stage act management), would no longer exist since they had stopped touring and performing concerts.

Would they have fired him? If they were planning to do so, they would have needed to act quickly. Despite some bad decisions on his part in their early days, the Beatles were still on excellent personal terms with Brian up to the day of his death. His contract was up for renewal later in 1967, just months after he passed away. If they had any plans to dismiss him, I don't think they had anybody waiting in the wings to replace him.

And perhaps Brian might have addressed some of their individual grievances, especially those of John's and George's.

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Apple was initially set up in 1967, and Brian was one of the original Executive Board.

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I wonder if things continued, would Brian of come out when it was legal for him to do so and what impact that would of had since more people were being open in the 70s.

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Ron Nasty said
Apple was initially set up in 1967, and Brian was one of the original Executive Board.

  

Thanks for that info. But it wasn't called "Apple" as that time, was it? Why did Paul and John wait until 1968 to announce the creation of Apple in NYC? Was their concept of Apple the same as Brian's or did they expand upon the original idea?

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I think Brian's role was gone once the Beatles stopped playing live. He had the rest of his Stable of Stars but no one came close to what the Beatles meant to him. He had no interest in their recording side and had not done a great job of managing their money.

He was a complex person who had changed his career focus many times before the Beatles came along. If he did not find something else big enough to replace them, the outcome that actually happened would probably not change.

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We'd say goodbye to:

Flying

Wild Honey Pie

Why Don't We Do It In The Road

Dig It

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And basically anything that isn't perfect

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11 July 2020
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Magill said
We'd say goodbye to:

Flying

Wild Honey Pie

Why Don't We Do It In The Road

Dig It

Maggie May

And basically anything that isn't perfect

  

What’s your reasoning for that? Brian NEVER had control over what happened in the studio. 

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